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« Reply #23970 on: June 24, 2022, 05:43:53 PM »

Kevin Durant bailed on Steph Curry for Kyrie Irving.

Cue the laugh track.

FUCK KYRIE IRVING.

Bring on Brunson.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #23971 on: June 24, 2022, 08:28:05 PM »

Havent you heard?

We are prioritizing development.
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« Reply #23972 on: June 25, 2022, 04:05:38 AM »

Havent you heard?

We are prioritizing development.

We shall see.

No more shiny objects

Let's see if they can pull off  Brunson for starters
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« Reply #23973 on: June 25, 2022, 09:47:13 AM »

Is Griffin supplanting Grimes in our rotation something we should not have taken a pass on?

Bears watching.  As does decision to keep RJ off the trade block.
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« Reply #23974 on: June 25, 2022, 10:59:33 AM »

I thought Grimes did an incredible job under the circumstances.

(the circumstances being Thibs).

What's not to like with the dude? Why would anyone think of replacing him at this point?
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« Reply #23975 on: June 25, 2022, 12:54:24 PM »

I thought Grimes did an incredible job under the circumstances.

(the circumstances being Thibs).

What's not to like with the dude? Why would anyone think of replacing him at this point?

The CIRCUMSTANCES last season, above and beyond Thibs's obdurate nature, also included a healthy dose of COVID interruptions and injuries. 

I remember McBride had a breakthrough game on both ends of the floor, got COVID, and when he returned, came down to Earth, and Thibs buried him from that point on. 

Grimes, likewise, with that kneecap separation.  He was really evolving his game from merely being a sniper, to being more aggressive getting to the rack. 

And of course, Reddish, who was really starting to percolate when he hurt his shoulder. 

Of course, we all remember how IQ and Obi blossomed when they got real minutes and trust, knowing that mistakes would not lead to the hook and burial on the bench. 
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« Reply #23976 on: June 25, 2022, 01:29:54 PM »

Griffin or Williams would have replaced Fournier who does not have the all around game for a major role on a decent team, much less on a good one.
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« Reply #23977 on: June 25, 2022, 03:23:36 PM »

Griffin or Williams would have replaced Fournier who does not have the all around game for a major role on a decent team, much less on a good one.

Your hard on for Fournier is well documented. 

And some of us are growing weary of it and your endless TRADER VIC scenarios where Fournier And/Or Julius  are offloaded for a bag of candy corn scenarios.  Not that we are turning our noses up at cap space.  Still...

As for Griffin and Williams. 

We already have a pretty crowded back court. 

We ALREADY have Barrett, we have Reddish, we have Grimes, a trio of big, talented two way wings, plus Burks AND Fournier if they remain Knicks.  PLUS second rounder Trevor Keels.  Keels' stats don't knock one's socks off, but he is a Dukie with a mature NBA body [6'4" 221].  That's SIX big wings at SG-SF.

Not to mention Rose, Quickley and McBride. IQ surely demonstrated some combo guard game of a piece with his Kentucky homie Maxey after the All-Star Break [oh, and we didn't pass on Maxey...he was gone at #21, and we got IQ at #25, followed thereafter by Bones Hyland]. 

I am quite sure the Knicks are shopping Fournier AND Burks AND Reddish.   And much as I like Reddish, if he somehow could have gotten us a shot at Ivey, as utterly hopeless as that pursuit surely was, well...

I am not opposed to shopping Fournier, not in the least, though I find your scenarios, with all due respect...is nonsensical too strong?  YES, offloading Fournier in the interests of opening up cap space and playing time for our puppies?  Count me in.  Dumping Randle for NOTHING?  Not a strategy going forward, particulary for a player whose shitty season was still 20-10-5, and who would benefit immeasurably from nor being tasked as a point forward, or an ISO-Bot in Thibs' unimaginative sets.  ERGO, bring on a point guard, as opposed to just dumping JR, no? 

In any event, it's a free country, and surely any number of bodies are on the chopping block, in the pursuit of cap space for Brunson. 



Which brings us to your offhanded dismissal of Brunson, which flies in the face of Jalen's playoff performance and leadership. 

A big who can shoot?  You mean like Julius & Obi?  If, as it presently appears, we are standing pat at Center, and are re-upping Mitchell and going forward with Jericho, then the likelihood of small ball with Julius and Obi logging minutes at the 5 increase, even given Thibs' aversion...he weakened and deployed it from time to time in the second half.   

Detroit and Dallas were significant landing spots for Mitchell, but with Jalen Duren and Christian Wood now on board, and Ayton in play, our puppy has less options, seemingly. 



Brunson, if that manifests in New York, would represent a significant uptick, your dismissal notwithstanding. 

Again, DOESN'T make his team mates better?  And that conclusion is based on what?  Carrying the team with Luka nursing injuries, helping the Mavericks make it to the Western Fucking Conference FINALS? 

Not going to make Julius better?  BASED ON WHAT? 

Brunson, a Villinova guy, a winning program, and, one hastens to add, who has gotten better every single season. 

He is a worker bee, who plays D, and can hit the three, pull up in the near field off the bounce, or hit from midrange.  HE PLAYS WITH PACE & CAN GET TO THE RACK AND FINISH. And those last few games with Obi and IQ we got a chance to see how much better the Knicks looked playing with some pace, motion and movement.

In 32 minutes a game during the regular season, he was good for 16-4-5, got to the free throw line 213 times, and drained 179, for an .840%.  He is an efficient all around scorer, who connected on 412-756 of his  two pointers, which is a .545%, and 94 of 252 from three, a .373% clip, which is a very respectable. 

Was some of that part and parcel of the attention Luka attracted.  OF COURSE.  But that question was asked AND answered in the playoffs and the Mavs run to the Western Finals

You like Alex Burks [so do I], but Jalen leaves you yawning? 

Now, is Brunson a top tier, POINT GUARD OF OUR DREAMS?  No, he is not. 

Chris Paul, Steph Curry or Damian Lillard?  NO.  Trae Young, LaMelo Ball or Ja Morant?  NO.  Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Dejounte Murray or Kyrie Irving?  NO.

The GHOSTS OF POINT GUARDS PAST, like Wall or Westbrook?  NO.

And SO FUCKING WHAT if he ain't.   

In the company of Saint LUKA he demonstrated he could be effective playing on and off the ball.  He could be the lead guard or a second-third option.  He contributed to a Jason Kidd-like pace. 

And?  WHEN IT COUNTED, Jalen displayed leadership. 

Is he worth $25,000,000 a year?

Who gives a fuck. 

The kid is a competitor.  Brunson is A WINNER. 

As desperate as the Knicks are, Jaden Ivey ain't coming through that door.  Exhale. 

Would your turn your nose up at such dynamic smurfs as Fred Van Vleet, Kyle Lowry, Terry Rozier?  SERIOUSLY?  All 6'1" or thereabouts, all great competitors who play with pace, can score from deep or going North South.  Their fearless aggression going to the rack inspires their team mates.  And creates opportunites all around. 



You cannot quantify LEADERSHIP, and THAT was the biggest takeaway from Brunson's playoff run.   

On your next outing to the Space Shuttle, take some of this into account 
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« Reply #23978 on: June 25, 2022, 03:58:52 PM »

Being a Knicks Lifer, and thus innured to suffering, I would actually be shocked if the Mavericks didn't put up one hell of a fight vis a vis Brunson.



The cornucopia of first and second rounders we have accumulated certainly gives us wheeling/dealing capital.  Considering how many youngunns we currently have, and that alleged player development thingy [Thibs, please pick up the hospitality phone], I see those draft picks less as picking this player or that player, than as teasers with which to entice teams to take on some of our contracts, and to inclide, theoretically, for trades, sign and trades, free agents...

Still, the Brunson scenario does looks promising, as he has history as a tadpole coming of age with both Thibs and Rose through his father's tenure as an assistant coach with TT on the Bulls.  Teaming with Derrick Rose, as MENTOR IN CHIEF, injuries willing, and being thus annointed as the bell cow-floor leader of the Knicks sounds promising, and it is worth remembering that Jalen has played all of four years, but is way more advanced in his evolution that Kyle Lowry was at a similar time in his development. 

Then again, the prospect of playing for Coach Kidd and WITH Donic The Magnificent on what looks like a Western Confererence perennial for the next several seasons....WELL...

But then, a front loaded contrtact at $25 x 4 might give the Mavs pause, what with Dimwiddie on board, Hardaway coming back, and Bullock on board. 

Hey, the Knicks were a lock to re-up Jeremy Lin as a free agent, until that dimwit came back at them with a second contract offer from the Rockets, front loaded for maximum pain, and then was shocked, innocent that he was, that the Knicks' Grunwald felt ass fucked and offended and declined to match. 

So, more than one way to skin a cat. 

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« Reply #23979 on: June 25, 2022, 04:40:31 PM »

The same offer is about seven figures better if it is picked up in Dallas. NY gets used this way all the time.

ST for Julius at about the same money might be a possibility though.

Gives Luka Randle and Wood in the frontcourt. That is a lot of scoring help in the high-octane western conference. It would dull the sting of losing Brunson.
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« Reply #23980 on: June 25, 2022, 04:47:35 PM »

The same offer is about seven figures better if it is picked up in Dallas. NY gets used this way all the time.

ST for Julius at about the same money might be a possibility though.

Gives Luka Randle and Wood in the frontcourt. That is a lot of scoring help in the high-octane western conference. It would dull the sting of losing Brunson.

Now there's a thought. 

I suspect that Thibs and Leon are not looking to trade Julius. 

Would be a big boost for Mavs, that's for sure. 

Save that Luka AIN'T IN THE FRONTCOURT.  He's the POINT GUARD. 

That would be Reggie, Finney-Smith...

Save that Dallas HAS power forwards: Kleiber, Powell, Bertrans. 

BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD. 
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« Reply #23981 on: June 25, 2022, 05:46:14 PM »

Randle would give Luka, a guard, help he needs from forwards and is not getting much of from Maxi or DB. Powell is more of a C. Woods and Randle would be upgrades over all of them at both spots.

It would dull the pain of losing a big talent like Brunson to free agency and end our need to cater to the moods and pace of Randle.
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« Reply #23982 on: June 25, 2022, 06:29:02 PM »

Randle would give Luka, a guard, help he needs from forwards and is not getting much of from Maxi or DB. Powell is more of a C. Woods and Randle would be upgrades over all of them at both spots.

It would dull the pain of losing a big talent like Brunson to free agency and end our need to cater to the moods and pace of Randle.

The point of getting Brunson is to get the best out of Randle and Barrett. 
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« Reply #23983 on: June 25, 2022, 08:17:11 PM »

Griffin or Williams would have replaced Fournier who does not have the all around game for a major role on a decent team, much less on a good one.

He really does

You just dont know how to watch and evaluate roundball.

Sad you take up so much space here.
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« Reply #23984 on: June 25, 2022, 08:38:55 PM »

Randle would give Luka, a guard, help he needs from forwards and is not getting much of from Maxi or DB. Powell is more of a C. Woods and Randle would be upgrades over all of them at both spots.

It would dull the pain of losing a big talent like Brunson to free agency and end our need to cater to the moods and pace of Randle.

The point of getting Brunson is to get the best out of Randle and Barrett.

Yeah, that's how I'm seeing it.
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