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Who will win Game 5 of the NBA Finals?

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Re: Knicks
« Reply #3690 on: January 23, 2019, 01:38:28 PM »
Well...it WAS the Raptors, preseason kings of the east
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« Reply #3691 on: January 23, 2019, 01:54:06 PM »
Kawhi, Valanciunas & OG were all out.

Though I think the Kings can't function without Fox.
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« Reply #3692 on: January 23, 2019, 02:47:07 PM »
That’s why I’ve been saying Kanter & Burke for ZBo & Kufos. It gives them someone fairly effective with the ball in his hands while Fox gets his rest.
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« Reply #3693 on: January 23, 2019, 03:32:57 PM »
They don't need Kant.
They have WCS, Bagley3, Bjelica as their Bigs.
Will Kant be happy there backing up WCS?
Also, Knix don';t need to move Kant, we need to move Courtly or Tim.

I'd be trying to interest them in Burke and Courtly for their expirings.
Right now, they start Shump at SG and he's also expiring as is McLemore who they don't seem to trust.  Tim Jr is more of a commitment for Sacto to take on, and Hield is already better in a similar role.

Actually, looking at their roster, you can see why they are around .500.
Fox - Yogi/Mason
Shump - Bogdanovic
Hield - Jackson
Bejelica - Bagley III
WCS - Koufos

Pretty solid with a lot of young legs.  Fox & Hield having nice seasons.
Bog is pretty slick.  WCS is solid.  Bejelica is good.  Bagley athletic and big.  I'm not really sure what Justin Jax's game is. 

They have the lowest payroll this season, with at least $37M in ending deals.  They could bring back Shump on a cheaper deal -- say $6M instead of his current $11M.  And maybe that is preferable to paying Courtly $12M.  But they'll need to add players just to meet the minimum payroll for next year.  Koufos, McLemore and Zach all likely gone.  I'd think Courtly is more reliable than Shump.
Really Bogdan x2 should be readywillingable to start next year.

I haven't seen the Kings enough to know what's going on with them.
Seems they need to upgrade their backup PG and SG slots.

Burke and Courtly for whichever endings they want to toss our way.
McLemore & Koufos would match the $$ almost exactly
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« Reply #3694 on: January 23, 2019, 05:14:07 PM »
You have convinced me, Bo.

Kufos and McLemore for Lee and Burke.

I’m sold.

Now we’ve just got to convince the Kings...
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #3695 on: January 23, 2019, 06:48:35 PM »
Quote from: facilitatorn on January 20, 2019, 06:36:11 PM
Quote from: kiidcarter8 on January 20, 2019, 04:44:44 PM
Shay and Monk over Knox and Frank.

Not sure SGA is as good as Frank long term.

Monk is one dimensional and not all that good.

You funny.
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« Reply #3696 on: January 23, 2019, 11:14:49 PM »
Quote from: facilitatorn on January 23, 2019, 05:14:07 PM
You have convinced me, Bo.
Kufos and McLemore for Lee and Burke.

Or any other combo of their ending deals.
That was just the one that matched the $$ best.

Apparently the feeling around the league is that the Knix would need to attach a 2nd rounder to get a team to bite on Courtly.  (Or maybe Datsun?).  But come the trade deadline perhaps a playoff-aspiring team will need a steady SG.  Injuries or slumps happen.  And Courtly is a low-key vet who can fill in anywhere easily.  Knix should start auditioning Courtly a couple weeks prior to the deadline.  Let him start over Tim Jr a couple games.  Or at minimum be the featured 2nd unit scorer.
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« Reply #3697 on: January 23, 2019, 11:33:19 PM »
So no one watched the game?
Looks like a barnburner.
Knix with admirable fight in a deserved L.

Doesn't look like starting Lancelot helped.
Why not have Kanter bully the small Rockettes?  Not like anyone worries about Faried knocking down 3's.

Mud 2 assists/7 turns.
Franc 6 assists/ 0 points
At least Knick bench did well (though foul prone).  Helps that HOU barely has a bench these days.   

With all the injuries, maybe HOU should have held on to Melo for a few more weeks(!)  Sad the way his career nose-dived.  Knix moved him just in time.  I always said the end of his deal would be an albatross.
Hard to remember the game moving on from a player faster.
If he gets a next team, who?  NOPe?  DET?  PHI?  UTA?  LBJ?
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« Reply #3698 on: January 24, 2019, 12:00:42 AM »
We need to attach a pick with Courtney because we haven't played him all year. If he were averaging 10+ a game, shooting 40 percent from 3 and bringing his usual attention to defense, it wouldn't be a problem. Typical Knick managerial ineptitude.

The game had its moments, but overall, more coaching in the direct service of losing.

We are on track 4 Zion 4 sure.

Knicks, again, much better with Frank on the floor than Mudiay. Nice passing. Very fine defense. Inexplicable that he wasn't out there for the last two key defensive possessions. Unless winning is not the goal. You can imagine him as part of a winning lineup. Mudiay, still, not so much.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #3699 on: January 24, 2019, 01:56:41 AM »
Lancela starts, only scores by accident. Worst offensive starter in the league. Phil brings in cortly, and Franky, and this nonentity. Defensive grit, good locker room presence? I do not remember anyone like him with Bulls or Lakers. Even in a tank year he is a tough watch.
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« Reply #3700 on: January 24, 2019, 02:06:29 AM »
Next couple weeks will be rough.  Constant trade rumors.  Hopefully we do something to clear space and air out the stink of these ill-fitting parts.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #3701 on: January 24, 2019, 04:37:30 AM »
This game was way too fast for Enes. He played exactly the right amount of minutes.

Super Mario could have taken Lance’s minutes without costing us production.

Mitch blocked two Harden 3s.

Mudiay’s play is falling below the value of his cap hold. Good thing Frank and Trier will be able to hold the position down after this season.

Good to see Knox getting boards and blocks.

Close but no cigar works best in the season of the tank.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #3702 on: January 24, 2019, 09:49:26 AM »
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Good to see Knox getting boards and blocks.



And AN assist.

Progress - that's SIX in 5 games.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #3703 on: January 24, 2019, 09:57:00 AM »
Knicks offense to defense rating

Robinson -  +26
Kornet -  +8
Kanter -  +6
Vonleh -  +3
LEE -  +1  (and 109-109 for career)


I think NBA types KNOW Lee enough without seeing the game minutes.  They just wont want that salary on their books for next year unless they see Courtney's skills putting them in much better shape for this year's playoffs.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #3704 on: January 24, 2019, 10:08:02 AM »
Like all sports, METRICS will only become more important in pro hoops

That said -

Knicks positive VORP

Vonleh    1.0
Robinson   1.0
Kanter     1.0
Kornet    0.4
Hardaway  0.1
Mudiay    0.1
Dotson   0.1
Lee     0.1

Top 20 in league are between 2.2 and 5.9

Very clearly we do not have a star.  Even KP's VORP topped at 1.2
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