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Total Members Voted: 3

Voting closed: June 13, 2022, 11:38:11 PM

[kiidcarter8]

Knicks wont just continue to lose and be OK with it because of the high pick

Yes, Fizdale needs to turn it back around toward 30+ wins.

[bodiddley]

I'd be entirely fine with a post-Dec 15 trade in which we send out any 2 or 3 of Morris, Portis, Taj, Ellington, Jr. Smith, Elf, Franc and took back a 1st rounder or a young solid player (something along the lines of SAC's Bogdanovich). 

Cash in our vets/depth who can help a contender and get back more yute.  Play the yute more than the remaining vets, do a 2nd tankathon, and get another high pick.
I certainly wouldn't mind getting another blue chip kid like Barrett.

Most promising route to turning things around imo.
If our record is junk around Dec 15, I'd be burning up the cell towers . . .

[kiidcarter8]

43 players over 18 PPG

Most surprising -

FOX, HARRELL, NUNN and BARRETT

https://www.espn.com/nba/stats/player/_/table/offensive/sort/avgPoints/dir/desc

[kiidcarter8]

36 players at 4.5 + assists

Most surprising

INGRAM, ADEBAYO and  RANDLE

https://www.espn.com/nba/stats/player/_/table/offensive/sort/avgAssists/dir/desc

[kiidcarter8]

51 players above 20 PER

https://www.espn.com/nba/stats/player/_/table/general/sort/PER/dir/desc

No Knicks in top 100 (Morris tops at 16.2)

[bodiddley]

Look again.
Mitch #5 at 30.6 PER.

Randle also 8th in the League in Turnovers with 4.1 per game.

[kiidcarter8]

Thanks

Yeah - wondered where he was - thought he may not have qualified

[facilitatorn]

I know people brought this up during the coaching search, but prior to taking the helm here his pinnacle accomplishment was coaxing a 43-39 record out of a team that had prime Conley and Gasol for about 70 games each. For all his qualities Fizz may just not have the knack.

[Kam]

For all his qualities Fizz may just not have the knack.

Fizz and Royal Ivey were hired in part to deliver us KD.
They weren't hired because they were bball savants.

It is fair to ask now how much use either serves anymore.

[bodiddley]

Fizz was labelled a good communicator who got through to young players.  A players coach guys liked playing for/with.
Pretty sure LeBJ & Wade Fizz boosters.

I find it interesting how NBA coaches have these blind spots and dig in on some of their flaws.  Woodson was going to go down switching everything even if he didn't have the personnel in NYK to do it.  Fizz seems to favor changing lineups constantly and he's willing to run players into the ground.  Throwing Knox into fire and heavy minutes worked on month and then mostly was a failure.  And yet, he's back at it with Barrett.

Other examples, D'Ant didn't care a hang about D.  (remember Amare whining that nobody ever taught him such a thing).  And finally only when his HOU job was on the line did he agree to hire a defensive coordinator (Bzdelik), because Dant wasn't going to preach D.

I like when NBA coaches bring in top guys who balance their tendencies.  Kerr seems to do this well.  Doc maybe the king of this, bringing in Thibideau and then Lawrence Frank as assistants.
I liked Vogel taking on Kidd, though it made more sense before they shipped out Bonzo Lol. 

Anyone know what the current Knick assistants are supposed to do? 

And besides the sports psychologist, Knix should bring in a shooting coach to help with FT's (and 3's).  Hopla or whoever.

[kiidcarter8]

I don't know what they all do but there sure is a shitload of them

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/teams/New-York-Knicks/20/staff-members

[bodiddley]

With Nurkic still out and Zachollins now out 4 months with a boo-boo shoulder (those things heal slowly), POR could very well be in the market for a PF and some depth.  Don't want to see their season fall apart.

They've got the big ending contract of Whiteside ($27M) to balance any deal.  And they have Simons and Nasir Little they could move.  I'm not much familiar with ether of those pups.

We could offer them  Portis, Ellington and Bullock for Simons + Whiteside.  Cashing in some depth, vets for a yute.

Or Portis, Taj and one of Smith Jr/Franc for Simons + Little + Whiteside.  Basically giving them a starting PF and a replacement for the  backup PG & C that they'd be feeding us.

Actually I have no idea on these two guys.  But they are 20 & 19 respectively.  And POR is high on Simons.

Just an example of the type of yute play we could make in exchange for our vets.

If they want Morris instead of Portis, then ask for Simons, Little and a future #1.  Morris would fit in nicely for them.
No idea if they like Portis.

[chipstern]

Justin Kubatko: The @celtics Gordon Hayward shot 16-16 on 2-pointers tonight. It’s the most 2-pointers made in a game without a miss since Wilt Chamberlain also went 16-16 on Mar. 19, 1967. – via Twitter jkubatko

Postscript: Utah drafted Hayward with the #1 they picked up from Phoenix, the last earthly asset the Knicks gave up to get that Stephon Marbury fellow.

Moral Of The Story: Retain your draft picks. 

[Kam]

Moral of the story part 2: Re-sign your draft picks and hope he doesn't leave to play for his college coach leaving you with nothing.

[kiidcarter8]

Knicks likely dont take Heyward anyway

The Whiteside scenario has some teeth but for now he helps them.  Not sure theyd give up Simons or Little either - so maybe picks.....

Revisit later and all will be more clear