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Total Members Voted: 11

Voting closed: February 15, 2022, 10:51:36 AM

[Hairy Lime]

Gene Robinson, on a question about Amir Locke shooting, from today's Q and A in WaPo:

I couldnt agree more about the grievous tactical errors, starting with the decision - to my mind, unjustified - to obtain a no-knock warrant in the first place. In the cases you mention (and too many others), police used tactics that increased rather than decreased the potential for deadly violence. It is in no way anti-police to point this out. Rather, it is pro-police to urge avoiding needless split-second situations that can go wrong and result in loss of life. When you startle someone, their initial reaction is likely to be sudden - and potentially to appear threatening. De-escalation has to be the aim, not commando-style tactical surprise.   

I think this nailed it, so far as most people's feelings about police.  Yes, we support their mission, but we don't want military style commandoes bursting in on sleeping people who do not present any immediate danger. 

Police officers don

they now their gay apparel.

[Holly Martins]

Gene Robinson, on a question about Amir Locke shooting, from today's Q and A in WaPo:

I couldnt agree more about the grievous tactical errors, starting with the decision - to my mind, unjustified - to obtain a no-knock warrant in the first place. In the cases you mention (and too many others), police used tactics that increased rather than decreased the potential for deadly violence. It is in no way anti-police to point this out. Rather, it is pro-police to urge avoiding needless split-second situations that can go wrong and result in loss of life. When you startle someone, their initial reaction is likely to be sudden - and potentially to appear threatening. De-escalation has to be the aim, not commando-style tactical surprise.   

I think this nailed it, so far as most people's feelings about police.  Yes, we support their mission, but we don't want military style commandoes bursting in on sleeping people who do not present any immediate danger. 

Police officers do not issue warrants. Judges do

Try reading.  He said the mistake was deciding to OBTAIN a no-knock warrant (like, from a judge).  Again, way to miss the point and address the core issue here.

Pink ruffles optional. 

[REDSTATEWARD]

Gene Robinson, on a question about Amir Locke shooting, from today's Q and A in WaPo:

I couldnt agree more about the grievous tactical errors, starting with the decision - to my mind, unjustified - to obtain a no-knock warrant in the first place. In the cases you mention (and too many others), police used tactics that increased rather than decreased the potential for deadly violence. It is in no way anti-police to point this out. Rather, it is pro-police to urge avoiding needless split-second situations that can go wrong and result in loss of life. When you startle someone, their initial reaction is likely to be sudden - and potentially to appear threatening. De-escalation has to be the aim, not commando-style tactical surprise.   

I think this nailed it, so far as most people's feelings about police.  Yes, we support their mission, but we don't want military style commandoes bursting in on sleeping people who do not present any immediate danger. 

Police officers do not issue warrants. Judges do

Try reading.  He said the mistake was deciding to OBTAIN a no-knock warrant (like, from a judge).  Again, way to miss the point and address the core issue here.

Pink ruffles optional.

I m pretty sure Oilcan can speak for himself

[Oilcan]

It's an online forum.  Anyone can respond to any post, dipstick.

The word was "obtain." Not "issue."  What difference who points this out to you?

[facilitatorn]

Can Red still spark his wee outdated lightbulb?

[REDSTATEWARD]

It's an online forum.  Anyone can respond to any post, dipstick.

The word was "obtain." Not "issue."  What difference who points this out to you?

So what

[REDSTATEWARD]

It's an online forum.  Anyone can respond to any post, dipstick.

The word was "obtain." Not "issue."  What difference who points this out to you?

Do you have apoint to make?

[josh]

It's an online forum.  Anyone can respond to any post, dipstick.

The word was "obtain." Not "issue."  What difference who points this out to you?

So what

You made the comment that "Police officers do not issue warrants. Judges do," which was both asinine and irrelevant.

The response to you is pointing out how irrelevant your comment was.

Understand, yet?

[REDSTATEWARD]

It's an online forum.  Anyone can respond to any post, dipstick.

The word was "obtain." Not "issue."  What difference who points this out to you?

So what

You made the comment that "Police officers do not issue warrants. Judges do," which was both asinine and irrelevant.

The response to you is pointing out how irrelevant your comment was.

Understand, yet?

No.
Please explain asinine and irrelevant.
This ought to be good.

[facilitatorn]

Review any of your posts over the last decade or so for a taste of both.

[facilitatorn]

http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/2/8/2079238/-The-leaders-of-the-Proud-Boys-and-Oath-Keepers-met-hours-before-Jan-6-and-the-FBI-is-investigating

[facilitatorn]

http://www.emptywheel.net/2022/02/08/the-eight-trump-associates-whom-doj-is-investigating/

Red can clearly hear the footsteps. He is plainly spooked as fuck that his beloved fascist army will collapse before his eyes.

[josh]

It's an online forum.  Anyone can respond to any post, dipstick.

The word was "obtain." Not "issue."  What difference who points this out to you?

So what

You made the comment that "Police officers do not issue warrants. Judges do," which was both asinine and irrelevant.

The response to you is pointing out how irrelevant your comment was.

Understand, yet?

No.
Please explain asinine and irrelevant.
This ought to be good.

It ought to, I agree. But unfortunately, you are dishonest.

So, I'll explain, but I know in advance that you will deny, lie, and obfuscate.

You made an erroneous comment about police not issuing warrants, as it had nothing to do with either the story to which you were responding or the circumstances related to the story.

That was the irrelevant part.

The asinine part was your response when this was pointed out to you, as if you had not, yourself, made the mistake.

Always glad to spell things out for you, Ward.

p.s. Your request to have something I am pretty sure was already clear to you explained was also asinine. The insult that accompanied it was gratuitous.

[josh]

Speaking of his fascist army, more evidence that "the people" in the case of the truckers are a combination of contrived and misled.

https://www.grid.news/story/misinformation/2022/02/08/the-hacked-account-and-suspicious-donations-behind-the-canadian-trucker-protests

[REDSTATEWARD]

It's an online forum.  Anyone can respond to any post, dipstick.

The word was "obtain." Not "issue."  What difference who points this out to you?

So what

You made the comment that "Police officers do not issue warrants. Judges do," which was both asinine and irrelevant.

The response to you is pointing out how irrelevant your comment was.

Understand, yet?

No.
Please explain asinine and irrelevant.
This ought to be good.

It ought to, I agree. But unfortunately, you are dishonest.

So, I'll explain, but I know in advance that you will deny, lie, and obfuscate.

You made an erroneous comment about police not issuing warrants, as it had nothing to do with either the story to which you were responding or the circumstances related to the story.

That was the irrelevant part.

The asinine part was your response when this was pointed out to you, as if you had not, yourself, made the mistake.

Always glad to spell things out for you, Ward.

 How was it irrelevant?
No knock warrants are issued so subjects of them will not have time to destroy evidence or prepare for violence.
If the complaint is those warrants ought to be revised or eliminated then that is a matter for the appropriate legislative body that created them.
The police are only caught in situations where they have to prepare for  the worst in carrying out their duties.
A NO KNOCK warrant means they are walking into a potentially dangerous situation.