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Total Members Voted: 3

Voting closed: February 13, 2022, 10:41:25 PM

[bankshot1]

Re:  Minoso, Oliva

Well, you just know it (HOF entry) is going to become a diversity thing - as everything.

Especialy with a select group of voters, easy to see this occurring.

I remember as a kid of about 10-12 or so, reading a Sport magazine article about the fiery and temperamental Latin players and the challenge they would have to successfully adapt to life in MLB. And that the challenges to communicate in English and other cultural reasons could hinder their advances playing the game. (ie they were a headache). I thought it was fucked up then, but it was in a leading sports magazine so...

I wonder how many white BBWAA writers WBW who could not communicate with Latin American players or didn't give a fuck if they could, never gave them the respect or credit they deserved, including HoF recognition.

[bankshot1]

Sox pick up option for Alex Cora for the '23 and '24 seasons.

Kid is expected to exercise his option on "Joey" for the foreseeable future.

[kidcarter8]

I wonder how many white BBWAA writers WBW who could not communicate with Latin American players or didn't give a fuck if they could, never gave them the respect or credit they deserved, including HoF recognition.


Who would be the poster child for this?  Minnie Minoso?  Really?

[Hamilton Samuels]

I wonder how many white BBWAA writers WBW who could not communicate with Latin American players or didn't give a fuck if they could, never gave them the respect or credit they deserved, including HoF recognition.


Who would be the poster child for this?  Minnie Minoso?  Really?

Roberto Clemente spoke to this issue of dealing with reporters and the language barrier.

Interestingly, Jackie Robinson kept Clemente from becoming a Dodger:

https://remezcla.com/sports/the-racist-history-behind-roberto-clementes-transition-from-the-dodgers-to-the-pirates/

In terms of his societal impact on the game, I'd rank Clemente ahead of Robinson, in many ways.

[bankshot1]

I wonder how many white BBWAA writers WBW who could not communicate with Latin American players or didn't give a fuck if they could, never gave them the respect or credit they deserved, including HoF recognition.


Who would be the poster child for this?  Minnie Minoso?  Really?

I'm suggesting Minoso was good, and his stats and career are HoF worthy (borderline/leaning in) but a I imagine being the 1st dark-skinned Latin player (Cuban) to play in MLB since MLB segregated players, might have been a challenge in 1949 when the Indians signed him. And I'm guessing his English might have been a little rough. So his ability to connect with the writers, you know have a drink or two at the bar, go out to dinner, share a dirty joke, may have been somewhat compromised.

But he was the first and followed by Cepeda, Clemente, Pinson, Marichal and others.

IMO there should be a place in the Hall of Fame for Minoso and his role in MLB history. 

[Hamilton Samuels]

Doug Jones, dies from Covid-19.

https://www.chron.com/sports/astros/article/Indians-Astros-closer-Doug-Jones-dead-COVID-19-16642367.php

[Hamilton Samuels]

Known PED users A-Rod and Ortiz on the HOF ballot.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/32691595/david-ortiz-alex-rodriguez-13-first-rs-hall-fame-ballot

Jimmy Rollins on the ballot, too, and his stats indicate that he should be a first ballot HOFer.

Ryan Howard on the ballot, but I think he's just short of the Hall.

[Hamilton Samuels]

Keith Hernandez is officially a dolt (not adult!). Too much coke back in the day, Keith?

https://www.thebiglead.com/posts/keith-hernandez-robert-kennedy-jr-anti-vaccine-book-twitter-mets-01fmwz0mr2ga

Maybe avoid sending condolences to Doug Jones's family, Keith, you fucking moron.

[kiidcarter8]

Curt Schilling
Hall of Fame 2022

[kidcarter8]

Taking no side - for info only

https://campello.tripod.com/firstblackinbaseball.html

[kidcarter8]

The Mets, Phillies and Marlins are all showing interest in Marte, according to multiple tweets from MLB Network insider Jon Heyman over the past two days.



Play with Bryce of play with You Found Nimmo?

Easy call.

https://twitter.com/you_found_nimmo

[Hamilton Samuels]

Curt Schilling
Hall of Fame 2022

Fuck that fascist!

[Hairy Lime]

Known PED users A-Rod and Ortiz on the HOF ballot.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/32691595/david-ortiz-alex-rodriguez-13-first-rs-hall-fame-ballot

Jimmy Rollins on the ballot, too, and his stats indicate that he should be a first ballot HOFer.

I realize you are Philadelphia uber alles but his stats are far below Alan Trammell's, and it took a committee to get him in. Rollins's biggest claim to fame is being able to stick Philly as long as he did.

[Hairy Lime]

I wonder how many white BBWAA writers WBW who could not communicate with Latin American players or didn't give a fuck if they could, never gave them the respect or credit they deserved, including HoF recognition.


Who would be the poster child for this?  Minnie Minoso?  Really?

Roberto Clemente spoke to this issue of dealing with reporters and the language barrier.

Interestingly, Jackie Robinson kept Clemente from becoming a Dodger:

https://remezcla.com/sports/the-racist-history-behind-roberto-clementes-transition-from-the-dodgers-to-the-pirates/

In terms of his societal impact on the game, I'd rank Clemente ahead of Robinson, in many ways.

Your take on the Dodgers allegedly having a quota on minorities would be to blame the black guy. Great take, Forrest.

[Hamilton Samuels]

I wonder how many white BBWAA writers WBW who could not communicate with Latin American players or didn't give a fuck if they could, never gave them the respect or credit they deserved, including HoF recognition.


Who would be the poster child for this?  Minnie Minoso?  Really?

Roberto Clemente spoke to this issue of dealing with reporters and the language barrier.

Interestingly, Jackie Robinson kept Clemente from becoming a Dodger:

https://remezcla.com/sports/the-racist-history-behind-roberto-clementes-transition-from-the-dodgers-to-the-pirates/

In terms of his societal impact on the game, I'd rank Clemente ahead of Robinson, in many ways.

Your take on the Dodgers allegedly having a quota on minorities would be to blame the black guy. Great take, Forrest.

Looks like you didn't read the whole piece.

Typical.