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Russia will gain eastern Ukraine territories and hold them, as it has Crimea

5 (45.5%)

Russia will temporarily gain eastern Ukraine territories before being forced out of them

2 (18.2%)

Efforts to confront the Russian forces and get them out of Ukraine will lead to Putin's escalating and attacking NATO countries directly with missiles or other destructive measures

0 (0%)

The NATO/World response will be so mild that Putin will go ahead and take the rest of Ukraine

3 (27.3%)

Today Ukraine, tomorrow Moldova and who knows where else

1 (9.1%)

Total Members Voted: 10

Voting closed: March 01, 2022, 01:18:43 PM

[FlyingVProd]

If the Squad wants to help the people of Russia, then the Squad needs to get the people of Russia to mobilize and to get out and to march for peace, and to get out and to stop the invasion of the Ukraine, and remove Putin if needed.

I think Putin misunderstands the whole situation, and he does not understand what he is giving up, he could attain so much more for Russia through peace and trade than he can with war.

The people of Russia need to stand up and demand peace. And we will even arm the good people of Russia if they want to have a civil war to remove Putin, that is what the Squad can do.

Salute,

Tony V.

[josh]

If the Squad wants to help the people of Russia, then the Squad needs to get the people of Russia to mobilize and to get out and to march for peace, and to get out and to stop the invasion of the Ukraine, and remove Putin if needed.

I think Putin misunderstands the whole situation, and he does not understand what he is giving up, he could attain so much more for Russia through peace and trade than he can with war.

The people of Russia need to stand up and demand peace. And we will even arm the good people of Russia if they want to have a civil war to remove Putin, that is what the Squad can do.

How do you propose the Squad should do any of that?

I think you misunderstand Putin - he has no desire to get what you think he wants. He's trying to rebuild the Russian (Soviet) Empire. Peace won't do that.

And the people, when they stand up, are insufficiently together to overwhelm the police, let alone the military.

[bambu.]

The people of Russia need to rid themselves of Putin.
Not prepared to do that, they'll just have to put up with whatever happens to them.

[LarryBnDC]

If the Squad wants to help the people of Russia, then the Squad needs to get the people of Russia to mobilize and to get out and to march for peace, and to get out and to stop the invasion of the Ukraine, and remove Putin if needed.

I think Putin misunderstands the whole situation, and he does not understand what he is giving up, he could attain so much more for Russia through peace and trade than he can with war.

The people of Russia need to stand up and demand peace. And we will even arm the good people of Russia if they want to have a civil war to remove Putin, that is what the Squad can do.

How do you propose the Squad should do any of that?

I think you misunderstand Putin - he has no desire to get what you think he wants. He's trying to rebuild the Russian (Soviet) Empire. Peace won't do that.

And the people, when they stand up, are insufficiently together to overwhelm the police, let alone the military.

[Holly Martins]

The liberal Squad and the conservative House Freedom caucus come together on the issue of involving US troops in Ukraine and getting approval from congress:

https://cronkitenews.azpbs.org/2022/02/23/far-left-far-right-lawmakers-come-together-to-caution-biden-on-ukraine/

[FlyingVProd]

The Squad has access to the Central Intelligence Agency which has boots on the ground in Russia, and they have information that I do not have access to. You can make better decisions when you have access to more information.

There used to be a forum called "Topix" and they had their headquarters here in California, and there were people on Topix from Russia, and so we could go talk with the Russians if they still had Topix on the web, but those forums are gone now. I would love to talk with the Russian people on a forum like Topix right now.

And we have the Russian Rock and Roll radio stations to get our message to the young people of Russia.

The CIA knows who the Squad needs to support.

And my advice is to bring in Silvio Berlusconi, and Juan Carlos, and Lech Walesa, and other Elders.

Salute,

Tony V.

[LarryBnDC]

The liberal Squad and the conservative House Freedom caucus come together on the issue of involving US troops in Ukraine and getting approval from congress:

https://cronkitenews.azpbs.org/2022/02/23/far-left-far-right-lawmakers-come-together-to-caution-biden-on-ukraine/

Argh

Far Left

[josh]

https://www.vice.com/en/article/xgd7dd/google-maps-live-traffic-showed-the-russian-invasion-of-ukraine

It makes keeping things secret a lot harder.

[josh]

"After just one year of a weak, feckless, and unfit President of the United States and Commander-in-Chief, the world is less safe. Rather than peace through strength, we are witnessing Joe Biden's foreign policy of war through weakness. For the past year, our adversaries around the world have been assessing and measuring Joe Biden's leadership on the world stage, and he has abysmally failed on every metric. From kinetic and deadly attacks on our allies and partners, to the catastrophic withdrawal and surrender in Afghanistan, to the cyber attacks impeding American industry and infrastructure, to today's Russian invasion of Ukraine, Joe Biden and his Administration have failed America and the world."

#3 Republican in the U.S. House in an inappropriate speech.

[Hairy Lime]

"After just one year of a weak, feckless, and unfit President of the United States and Commander-in-Chief, the world is less safe. Rather than peace through strength, we are witnessing Joe Biden's foreign policy of war through weakness. For the past year, our adversaries around the world have been assessing and measuring Joe Biden's leadership on the world stage, and he has abysmally failed on every metric. From kinetic and deadly attacks on our allies and partners, to the catastrophic withdrawal and surrender in Afghanistan, to the cyber attacks impeding American industry and infrastructure, to today's Russian invasion of Ukraine, Joe Biden and his Administration have failed America and the world."

#3 Republican in the U.S. House in an inappropriate speech.

Went over well in Moscow-Laga, which was the point.

[bodiddley]

The West didn't do anything much after Putin invaded and annexed Crimea, or instigated and assisted war in Ukraine's Donbass region, or earlier warred against tiny Georgia and gobbled up two chunks of their land, etc.

But the time to pressure, isolate and confront Putin was when he transformed the Russian political system from democracy to dictatorship.  Instead the West pretended the change from Russian democracy to Russian autocracy was acceptable or tolerable, or wouldn't have consequences. (one consequence is Erdogan followed the same model and Turkey has backslid into a dictatorship, militarily meddling in other countries, such as Syria, Libya, etc.).

Or when Putin started assassinating journalists and opposition figures, and closed down independent media and ended civil society.  When he was poisoning perceived enemies all the way in the UK.  While crushing any political and civil society and non-gov't media at home. Russia morphing from a democracy to a dictatorship run by an ex-KGB officer was mostly met by a shrug.
Germany in particular thought you could just do business as usual with Russia.
Treating Russia as a normal country and not a pariah and dangerous threat. All of Putin's attacks, domestic and abroad, were largely ignored and accepted.
And this is where all that appeasement has led.

Crimea was 2014.  Europe couldn't have started diversifying its energy sources and weaning itself off Russia petroleum 7 years ago?

[luee]

First the pandemic and now this.

Thousands join anti-war protests in Russia after Ukraine invasion

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/24/we-dont-want-this-russians-react-to-the-ukraine-invasion.

[bambu.]

First the pandemic and now this.

Thousands join anti-war protests in Russia after Ukraine invasion

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/24/we-dont-want-this-russians-react-to-the-ukraine-invasion.

And got themselves arrested....
...never to be seen again?

[bambu.]

ScoMo went off like a Saturn rocket at Xi today when he found out that instead of slapping sanctions on Russia, China has opened its grain market favourably  to Russian wheat.
LOL
ScoMo has no power in the world but at least he said it.
Yes, Vlad's best buddy Xi gives him preferential trade
 deals after he invades Ukraine.
Exactly why the UN Security Council is a big waste of time. Seemingly owned by China and Russia.

[bodiddley]

The UN was designed so that the 5 large WWII allies wouldn't be held accountable.

This seems to be one of the least visible UN Sec Gen's.  Seems the UN was largely ignored under Trumpf.

A few weeks ago, I read that Putin had been rotating troops through Syria the past couple years, even on short tours, ensuring that the vast majority got battlefield training.  In preparation for what's tragically going down now.

Interesting background: The Welshman who Founded Donetsk, Ukraine, and Why a War is a Disaster for Russia.  In 1869, the Czar brought Welch in to start up the steel industry after lots of coal and ore found in the region.   What is now Donetsk was formerly named after John Hughes master metallurgist.