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Russia will gain eastern Ukraine territories and hold them, as it has Crimea

5 (45.5%)

Russia will temporarily gain eastern Ukraine territories before being forced out of them

2 (18.2%)

Efforts to confront the Russian forces and get them out of Ukraine will lead to Putin's escalating and attacking NATO countries directly with missiles or other destructive measures

0 (0%)

The NATO/World response will be so mild that Putin will go ahead and take the rest of Ukraine

3 (27.3%)

Today Ukraine, tomorrow Moldova and who knows where else

1 (9.1%)

Total Members Voted: 10

Voting closed: March 01, 2022, 01:18:43 PM

[Hairy Lime]

Price gouging is illegal. I hope that gets acted on.

Not that they aren't price gouging but I do not think tbe world wide barrel price for oil depends on where that barrel is from.

[Holly Martins]

Back of the envelope - if we were a nation where people still do things for the good of the country and larger world, each person could take a bus or light rail or bike or walk (where feasible) to go to work or shopping or visiting ONE DAY OUT OF EVERY TWO WEEKS and there would be no shortfall of domestic fuel supply. 

Or, here's a thought in the Two Birds One Stone category: promote self-powered transport as a way to be patriotic AND help win the battle against obesity.  (and, third bird, clean up the air and lower carbon spew)

[kiidcarter8]

Overfocus on environmental issues has bit the US in the butt

But I agree, Barton.  Cut gas consumption, on an individual basis

Tough one for me, admittedly.

[josh]

Putin is hiding his lover and their kids in Switzerland, one report said at a luxury ski resort.

Kidnap and use as bargaining chips?

Yeah, sure.

Why not?

Because that is the path of reduced humanity and escalation of hostage taking.

Your inhumanity is noted. Stick to dogs.

Reduced humanity?
Nah, just something to trade.

Reduced humanity.

Exchange of prisoners of war (declared or not) is not the same as using children as pawns.

You? You probably think using children as shields against bombing is also okay.

And if not, then how your suggestion different.

Inhuman and inviting every other group opposed to what a country is doing to seize children to barter with for what they want.

[josh]

Price gouging is illegal. I hope that gets acted on.

Not that they aren't price gouging but I do not think tbe world wide barrel price for oil depends on where that barrel is from.

No, but despite its being the excuse, the gas price rise is not solely dependent upon the rise in barrel prices - it is very much out of proportion.

https://gasprices.aaa.com/state-gas-price-averages/

https://gasprices.aaa.com/global-tensions-push-oil-prices-higher-and-pump-prices-follow/

Pump prices usually rise preceding trouble and decline following trouble. They tend to rise more than the relative price increase would predict. And with demand being artificially controlled, it makes the market less supply/demand based than many markets.

[josh]

Back of the envelope - if we were a nation where people still do things for the good of the country and larger world, each person could take a bus or light rail or bike or walk (where feasible) to go to work or shopping or visiting ONE DAY OUT OF EVERY TWO WEEKS and there would be no shortfall of domestic fuel supply. 

There's no shortage of domestic fuel supply. And releasing stores of gasoline from the national emergency supply won't have much of the desired impact because the change in price is not supply-based or demand-based.

[josh]

Overfocus on environmental issues has bit the US in the butt

Both unrelated and bullshit.

If it weren't that the rest of us would suffer, I would love to let things play out just to hear your reaction as events and reality drown out your claims that it is not a problem requiring stronger response, not weaker.

[LarryBnDC]

Overfocus on environmental issues has bit the US in the butt

But I agree, Barton.  Cut gas consumption, on an individual basis

Tough one for me, admittedly.

Under focus on environmental issues has fucked over the world.

Should have made the transition off the fossil fuel economy much sooner than now since that economy is destroying the environment for human habitation.

[josh]

Oh, I forgot.

One reason for the comment on the Russian oil imports is that fear of price increases in the US has been the stated reason for opposition to blocking their oil.

1%.

[LarryBnDC]

Biden banning Russian oil imports.

Made some very strong points on gas prices

[REDSTATEWARD]

Oh, I forgot.

One reason for the comment on the Russian oil imports is that fear of price increases in the US has been the stated reason for opposition to blocking their oil.

1%.

Fact Check
Sources:
PBS, The Hill


The United States is the largest oil producer in the world  ahead of Saudi Arabia and Russia but it is also the biggest oil consumer, and it cannot  meet that staggering demand with domestic crude alone.

The U.S. imported 245 million barrels of oil from Russia last year (about 8 percent of all U.S. oil imports) up from 198 million barrels in 2020. That is  less than the U.S. gets from Canada or Mexico but more than it imported last year from Saudi Arabia.

The U.S. could survive cutting off Russian oil and gas imports over the Moscow invasion of Ukraine, but it would almost certainly strike a massive financial toll.

[bambu.]

Putin is hiding his lover and their kids in Switzerland, one report said at a luxury ski resort.

Kidnap and use as bargaining chips?

Yeah, sure.

Why not?

Because that is the path of reduced humanity and escalation of hostage taking.

Your inhumanity is noted. Stick to dogs.

Reduced humanity?
Nah, just something to trade.

Reduced humanity.

Exchange of prisoners of war (declared or not) is not the same as using children as pawns.

You? You probably think using children as shields against bombing is also okay.

And if not, then how your suggestion different.

Inhuman and inviting every other group opposed to what a country is doing to seize children to barter with for what they want.

Russia is blowing children to bits.
Russian troops are shooting unarmed fleeing refugees.
Something drastic has to be done.
I'm not saying harm the lover and kids, just kidnap them and detain them somewhere nice, good food, cable tv Disney Kids etc.
Russian evil is taking over the world, it's not the time for soft and mushy hearts.

[bambu.]

Oh, I forgot.

One reason for the comment on the Russian oil imports is that fear of price increases in the US has been the stated reason for opposition to blocking their oil.

1%.

Fact Check
Sources:
PBS, The Hill


The United States is the largest oil producer in the world  ahead of Saudi Arabia and Russia but it is also the biggest oil consumer, and it cannot  meet that staggering demand with domestic crude alone.

The U.S. imported 245 million barrels of oil from Russia last year (about 8 percent of all U.S. oil imports) up from 198 million barrels in 2020. That is  less than the U.S. gets from Canada or Mexico but more than it imported last year from Saudi Arabia.

The U.S. could survive cutting off Russian oil and gas imports over the Moscow invasion of Ukraine, but it would almost certainly strike a massive financial toll.

In all good conscience, the West needs to stop buying everything Russia is selling.
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Oil price gouging?
Not impossible, price gouging on anything and everything else companies in the West can get away with seems rife these days.
Stay home, leave the gasoline in the gas station tanks, then watch the prices drop.
Petrol (gasoline) at my pumps is $2.10 a litre.
$8 a gallon...roughly.
3.78 litres in a gallon.
Another reason we can't work for $5 and $10 an hour.

ScoMo is now being blamed by the Left for rising prices of oil, goods in supermarkets etc.
Yes, like the pandemic, the massive bushfires, the floods now devastating the whole east coast of the nation, the sexual harassment of women in Parliament House over decades, Ukraine war...it's all ScoMo's fault. LOL.
Now the poor man has Covid again, and more severely this time judging by the latest photo.

[Holly Martins]

Overfocus on environmental issues has bit the US in the butt

Underfocus on learning the science bit yours clean off.

[facilitatorn]

Overfocus on environmental issues has bit the US in the butt

But I agree, Barton.  Cut gas consumption, on an individual basis

Tough one for me, admittedly.

I doubted you were ever able to pass a road test. Thanks for the confirmation.