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[facilitatorn]

The second amendment lays out a collective right granted to states. There is no individual right to bear arms. It is a fiction propagated by murderous bastards and profiteers bent on destroying the United States one school, mall and church at a time.

It is no surprise Red gets that wrong.

Well the Supreme Court got it wrong too, then.  And that's not likely to be overturned short of repealing the second amendment   There's plenty that can be done (even Heller allows for it) and Congress, if it ever found the intestinal fortitude, can do so, but refighting the individual right vs. collective right battle is a colossal waste of time.

However it is framed, personal liability insurance, strict storage and transfer and ammunition accounting laws need to be in place nationally.

[Yankguy1]

The second amendment lays out a collective right granted to states. There is no individual right to bear arms. It is a fiction propagated by murderous bastards and profiteers bent on destroying the United States one school, mall and church at a time.

It is no surprise Red gets that wrong.

Well the Supreme Court got it wrong too, then.  And that's not likely to be overturned short of repealing the second amendment   There's plenty that can be done (even Heller allows for it) and Congress, if it ever found the intestinal fortitude, can do so, but refighting the individual right vs. collective right battle is a colossal waste of time.

However it is framed, personal liability insurance, strict storage and transfer and ammunition accounting laws need to be in place nationally.

Yes.  That goes to the intestinal fortitude thing. 

[Oilcandide]

Though I am glad to see you arguing for enacting common sense gun regulations that go beyond assault rifles.

I'd be the first to admit that regulating a small percentage of guns is a baby step.  And that's all we get.  As YG notes, it's a waste of time to attempt some large-scale retrofit of individual v collective rights. 

[Oilcandide]

....zeroed in on banning the the AR 15, a gun that happens to be very popular with millions of Americans who use it for protection, hunting, and recreation....

How was Laudanum banned, a tincture of opium that was popular with millions of Americans who used it for sleep aid, intestinal problems, and recreation?  How did they ban it without treading on individual rights?


edit: why is Laudanumb so hard for me to spell?

[Espnthree]

....zeroed in on banning the the AR 15, a gun that happens to be very popular with millions of Americans who use it for protection, hunting, and recreation....

How was Laudanum banned, a tincture of opium that was popular with millions of Americans who used it for sleep aid, intestinal problems, and recreation?  How did they ban it without treading on individual rights?

There is no Constitutional protection for narcotics.

[LarryB!]

....zeroed in on banning the the AR 15, a gun that happens to be very popular with millions of Americans who use it for protection, hunting, and recreation....

How was Laudanum banned, a tincture of opium that was popular with millions of Americans who used it for sleep aid, intestinal problems, and recreation?  How did they ban it without treading on individual rights?

There is no Constitutional protection for narcotics.

No constitutional protection for semi automatic weapons.

[LarryB!]

Good guy with a gun, right

Same as it ever was.

[bambu.]

What are American journalists and American citizens still doing in Russia?
Now look what's happened...American journalist arrested for 'spying', facing 20 years in prison.

[Oilcandide]

....zeroed in on banning the the AR 15, a gun that happens to be very popular with millions of Americans who use it for protection, hunting, and recreation....

How was Laudanum banned, a tincture of opium that was popular with millions of Americans who used it for sleep aid, intestinal problems, and recreation?  How did they ban it without treading on individual rights?

There is no Constitutional protection for narcotics.

But it's an individual right.  You just told us America prioritizes individual rights.  Why would anything be banned?  And why, if guns have a blanket protection in the 2nd A, as you keep insisting, can't I own a machine gun or an M16?

[facilitatorn]

What are American journalists and American citizens still doing in Russia?
Now look what's happened...American journalist arrested for 'spying', facing 20 years in prison.

You would have to understand things like courage and integrity, but as a right winger it is clear you do not.

[FlyingVProd]

If we bring lawsuits against the schools for not keeping the children safe, then I bet the schools would build nice fences and gates and I bet they would hire armed security guards to protect the children. Cameras too.

And when I was a kid in Oregon the bullies used to beat me up on the playground because I was born in California, the people in Oregon do not like Californians, and I always felt like the schools should have kept me safe on the playground, I think the adults were wrong to allow me to be abused on the playgrounds by bullies. The adults need to monitor the children on the playground and the adults need to protect the children from the bullies. I should have filed a lawsuit against the schools for allowing me to get beat up on the playground. That shit needs to stop, the schools need to protect the children.

Salute,

Tony V.

[FlyingVProd]

Yes Bambu, both Stormy and Trump are scumbags. Neither one of them have any class. He was wrong for paying her hush money, and she was wrong to accept it. Both are bad people.

It is sad, good men like Lincoln get assassinated while dirt-bags like Trump drive our nation into the dirt while no one does anything.

Trump needs to sit in a nice quiet prison. What a scumbag he is, Trump is bad for America. He should have retired to the Bahamas when he had the chance.

And now we see what a kind and good and honorable person George W. Bush is. ( And Oliver Stone made a good movie about George W. Bush named "W". )

Salute,

Tony V.

[bambu.]

What are American journalists and American citizens still doing in Russia?
Now look what's happened...American journalist arrested for 'spying', facing 20 years in prison.

You would have to understand things like courage and integrity, but as a right winger it is clear you do not.

Wisdom trumps courage and integrity.
What were Americans even doing in Russia in the first place?
Oh, visiting family.
Fair enough, blood is very thick, family is family.
You'd hope Americans are not going on vacation to Russia as tourists, to see the sights etc.

20 years, in the prime of his life, will be a long time for the journalist to contemplate 'courage and integrity' as he rots in a horrible Russian prison.

[LarryB!]

Donald J. Trump

DEFENDANT

[FlyingVProd]

They are afraid that Social Security will collapse, the way to save Social Security is to LEGALIZE OUR IMMIGRANTS and as many of your Immigrants are young people then they will pay into Social Security for 20 years before they retire.

And many of our new Immigrants become Doctors and Nurses.

We all win by making our Immigrants legal.

Salute,

Tony V.