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Re: Knicks
« Reply #11850 on: April 30, 2020, 03:45:56 PM »

We matched SEVENTEEN per for Hardaway - and that was what will be five years removed.

That was a blunder.

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Just 12-15 mil for Robinson as an RFA?

Myles Turner flat $18M's (4 years)
Capela $17M this year (3 years more with $1M increases per year)
Brook Lopez $12M (3 more years with $0.5M raises)
DeAndre $10M (4 years)

Those guys are all better than Mitch and we can only hope Robinson reaches Capela or Myles Turner level on his next contract.   $10M -$14M range sounds like where Mitch should start out.  He hasn't proved much yet, except potential.  3/$36 or 4/$50M seems reasonable.


Vucevic with a recent large C contract (4/$100M).  Also, Embiid and Horford $28M (Al's drops and Joel's escalates over the next 3 years)

Be interesting to see what two previously overpaid defensive C's -- Whiteside and Biyombo -- get in FA.  Also, Gasol & Ibaka (though TOR will certainly keep at leats one of those two).  Mahinmi makes for another Defensive C FA.

Well, I only went through the East (and added in Whiteside).
Takeaways:
- seemingly everybody has their starting C signed for 4 years (3 more).
- not many teams need a starting C (CHA, WAS ...)
- lotta defensive C's will be FA's.
- a handful of scoring C's make big $


EDIT:
Here's the West quickly:
KAT 5/$150M
Jokic 4/$130M
A Davis $27M
Gobert $27M
Steven Adams $27M next year
(those guys are stars, except Adams who will get much less next contract)

Valanciunas 3/$45M
Nurkic 3/$37M
Zubac 4/$30M

there's also some cautionary tales:
Dieng with $17M left next year.
Dedman 2/$26M left

HOU & GS don't really have a C
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #11852 on: April 30, 2020, 04:11:25 PM »

Payton, Knox, this year's #1, this year's second #1 (25 overall) and a future #1 (from Dallas, protected)

to WOLVES for

LAMELO BALL (3rd pick), James Johnson (16 mil, one year), this year's #2 (33 overall) and a future #2.

Wolves get the 6 pick, likely not much worse than who they'd have taken (major assumption it wouldnt have been Ball) a perimeter guy to go with Layman and Culver, a steady backup to Russell (you could play D'ANG some off guard), a boost up the board from 33 to 25 and future consideration.

Knicks get a very usable for one year JJ - their stud BALL (who may beget Brother Ball), lose the 8 slots from 25 down to 33 and a likely fungible future 1.  They also lose Knox's promise, whatever that might be.  They settle their PG logjam just a tad, as LMB likely plays there at least some, maybe more.

You forgot to include your first born. 

No Sale.

Ball is a tempting prospect, but on a talent level with Jah Morant or Zion? 

I think NOT. 

Sorry.  This is not rational. 

PS: Including Mitch Robinson in any deal is insane.  As for paying him, Jeez, be still my heart.  We have larger more pressing issues to ponder in the short term.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #11853 on: April 30, 2020, 04:21:50 PM »

Ball is a tempting prospect, but on a talent level with Jah Morant or Zion?


Doesn't have to be

You get LMB you likely also get a shot at Lonzo.

Do I do this for Edwards if it goes Ball-Topin 1-2?

Yes

Do I do it for Toppin?  If we like him much better than Anthony/Carey?  Yes.

By the way - what exactly do you think we are giving up in the deal that is so long term valuable?
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« Reply #11854 on: April 30, 2020, 04:44:17 PM »

Ball is a tempting prospect, but on a talent level with Jah Morant or Zion?


Doesn't have to be

You get LMB you likely also get a shot at Lonzo.

Do I do this for Edwards if it goes Ball-Topin 1-2?

Yes

Do I do it for Toppin?  If we like him much better than Anthony/Carey?  Yes.

By the way - what exactly do you think we are giving up in the deal that is so long term valuable?

The Knicks have a sad history on giving up on players way too fucking soon

We have cashed in some incontrovertibly gifted assets for better fits, but that was a long time ago.

Cazzie Russell for Jerry Lucas. 

Mike Riordan & Dave Stallworth for Earl Monroe. 

But we gave up way too early on the likes of Rod Strickland, Trevor Ariza, and the last trades that leap to mind in which we gave up two #1 picks were Marbury, Curry and Anthony. 

I am in a distinct minority as far as giving up on Kevin Knox. 

Also, "...you get LMB you likely also get a shot at Lonzo." 

That's a rather rosy projection. 

At this point in time I would be happy just to even have actual MLB, NFL, NBA seasons. 

Let me throw this back at you. 

IF WE END UP WINNING THE #1 PICK?

Edwards?

Ball?

Toppin?   
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #11855 on: April 30, 2020, 05:05:20 PM »

Edwards



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSJYVl2Z8Ug

Look at the move to his left at about 0:40-0:45

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Re: Knicks
« Reply #11856 on: April 30, 2020, 05:15:49 PM »

Edwards



https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?fr=yhs-iba-1&hsimp=yhs-1&hspart=iba&p=anthony+edwards+draft+profile#id=0&vid=7c568c468ceeffbed1af89bf47ed2363&action=click


Look at the move to his left at about 0:40-0:45

He is touted as a COMBO Guard. 

Do you see him as a legit option as a RUDDER/PG presence.  We know he is a superior athlete. 

PS: The link led me to an entire page of Links.

PPS: Could you zero in on a single YouTube video with highlights.  Not sure which one contains the move to the left. 
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« Reply #11857 on: April 30, 2020, 05:22:22 PM »

Randle is too entitled as well to take all the shots.  He is in the way of true team growth.[/i


Really?  How many does he take?

If Julius was a true chucker he'd likely average 28 PPG

All the shots when the knicks need a shot. Late 4th.  GO-TO GUY.  Thinks he is good enough to be the man.  He isn't.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #11858 on: April 30, 2020, 06:18:09 PM »

Do you see him as a legit option as a RUDDER/PG presence.  We know he is a superior athlete.



Nope

Scoring guard.  You pla Edwards opposite a point.  If it's Paul, I see some real explosive potential.

But make no mistake - Edwards can create.  Like Cole Anthony in that respect - but bigger, able and more likely to play above the rim.... 

Leader?  I dont know - though being willing to carry the load is one aspect of leadership. 

We would outscore teams on many nights when our defense is subpar - if we started Paul, Edwards, Barrett, Randle, Robinson.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #11859 on: April 30, 2020, 06:20:39 PM »

Edwards



https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?fr=yhs-iba-1&hsimp=yhs-1&hspart=iba&p=anthony+edwards+draft+profile#id=0&vid=7c568c468ceeffbed1af89bf47ed2363&action=click


Look at the move to his left at about 0:40-0:45

He is touted as a COMBO Guard. 

Do you see him as a legit option as a RUDDER/PG presence.  We know he is a superior athlete. 

PS: The link led me to an entire page of Links.

PPS: Could you zero in on a single YouTube video with highlights.  Not sure which one contains the move to the left.

My bad


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSJYVl2Z8Ug
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« Reply #11860 on: April 30, 2020, 07:20:19 PM »

Edwards



https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?fr=yhs-iba-1&hsimp=yhs-1&hspart=iba&p=anthony+edwards+draft+profile#id=0&vid=7c568c468ceeffbed1af89bf47ed2363&action=click


Look at the move to his left at about 0:40-0:45

He is touted as a COMBO Guard. 

Do you see him as a legit option as a RUDDER/PG presence.  We know he is a superior athlete. 

PS: The link led me to an entire page of Links.

PPS: Could you zero in on a single YouTube video with highlights.  Not sure which one contains the move to the left.

My bad


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSJYVl2Z8Ug

In all those highlights he goes left.  NBA teams pick up on that.  Especially in the playoffs.
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« Reply #11861 on: April 30, 2020, 08:47:38 PM »

Does it ALL - capital A - at the offensive end.

Not known?

Work ethic.
Durability
Handling of press (media, that is)
Leadership ceiling

Is Ball as good a player?

He just may be.  I just see some LeBron in Edwards.   Cannot pass that up

I remain totally in the dark on Toppin.
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« Reply #11862 on: April 30, 2020, 09:48:50 PM »

Slotting Edwards between RJ and Frank could be interesting.

Not sure who Ball is supposed to be able to defend, but he’s still the other really good guard in this draft.

Hayes isn’t the passer Ball is nor the finisher Edwards is, but has the fewest holes and rounds out the top 3 guards.
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« Reply #11864 on: May 01, 2020, 12:12:59 AM »

Rethinking Ball, it would be worth waiting on his D and we should pick him if he’s available.
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