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Total Members Voted: 3

Voting closed: June 13, 2022, 11:38:11 PM

[kidcarter8]

Keeping Randle would seem wise.  Toppin not the best board guy nor is Mitch

[bodiddley]

Knick moves only make sense if you think it's a good idea to waste another year and not get better.

It's really not much to ask to add one legit starter this offseason, especially since we have lots of cap space (even needed to get up to the minimum team salary) and we only have one legit starter (Randle) who we might be looking to dump.

Yeah, I think a goal and basically a requisite was to add at least one legit starter.
Maybe we weren't able to do so for various reasons, but I'd call it a definite failure and a guarantee of wasting another year.

Lots of one year deals and guys on the trading block does not exactly equate to chemistry. 
Burks, Rivers, Spellman, Noel.  Will any of them be Knix beyond one season?
New coach, new front office, many new faces.  Starting over again like usual.

One legit starter added in would've seemed important.

Let's hope Thibs plays the yute lots minutes because yute development is all we can hope for.  Of course it will be hampered by weak PG play.   But do you bring Thibs in to nurture yute and develop Franc and Knox Smith and Obi and Mitch?  Will he do that? Does he play 10?  Or do Thibs go heavy with Randle and other vets?

As for Fizz, I pegged him as a bs-er before he started. 

Let's face it, we have another crappy team and a we're a crappy franchise.

[chipstern]

Not seeing the need for more massive size, as in Whiteside. 

Poetentially having both Toppin AND Spellman as PFs who can play pick and roll and go to the hoop and knock down threes is more tantalizing to me then a Kaminsky or Whiteside. 

If Randle can improve his three-point shooting, as was beginning to happen at season's end, and give us the odd minutes at center, than a Robinson/Noles platoon should give us plenty of defensive coverage. 

And CLEARLY, the Knicks are in NO HURRY to put Knox out on the open market for a handful of magic beans.  T

[chipstern]

And you're in a crappy frame of mind regarding the Knicks. 

Asked And Answered

There may be a team for you in Brooklyn that satsifies your nutrutional requirements. 

And who WAS that pivotal starter that we missed out on, pray tell? 

[kidcarter8]

Noel should start.  As could Burks or Rivers.

[bankshot1]

Let's face it, we have another crappy team and a we're a crappy franchise.

This is not a troll-but the Knicks are the 5th place team in the Atlantic probably for at least 2 more years. Maybe longer.

And a lottery team.

But you want the 1st pick or 2nd or 3rd, not the 8th or 14th.

Basically the 76ers plan- its painful, but it will get you out of NBA hell evenually.

The game plan should be accumulate picks through trades and accept you will suck and get good lottery picks for the next few years and rebuild.

and play the young guys and see who are keepers until you start hitting in the draft.

As you guys should know by now, you dont want to be a 30 win team and stuck in NBA purgatory of forever mediocrity.

[bodiddley]

Noel shouldn't start.
1. He's a limited minute guy whose production and usefulness dwindles when he stays out there too long.
2. Mitch is our future.  Best to get Mitch as many minutes as he can handle.

With that said, it doesn't really matter who starts at C, but more important who finishes.  I think Mitch is more capable of playing 30 mins per than Noel, but foul trouble will impede that some nights. 

One way I could see Nawlins starting is if he pairs well with Randle, and Thibs decides to work the bench combo of ObiT & Mitch, since they are the presumed starters down the road (like later this year or next year).  But if Thibs starts vets Randle & Father Noel, then I'd hope we're starting them with at least 2 yute. 
Elf - RJB - Knox - Randle - Noel
Smith/Franc - someone - RJB - Randle - Noel/Mitch

I think we added Noel so that we always have one defensive C to clean up and support ObiT's weak D.  Which I think is smart to help him and have a long-armed rim protector.  So we can have one of Mitch/Nerlens on the court with Randle and one with ObiT always.  I think that's the general plan and quite sensible.
Given our PF's, I think the Nerlens pick up was smart.
The rest of the off-season, I think we whiffed on.

[kidcarter8]

Maybe we get a top 3 when KP officially goes out for the season and Luka follows

[kidcarter8]

Re:  Toppin's defense

Of course you worry.  He is a rook, hopefully more than making up for it with his scoring

I am more concerned with his rebounding.

[kidcarter8]

Re:. "and play the young guys"

As previously stated Dennis and Frank no longer qualify

I guess you mean Quickley, Spellman and Knox.

Toppin and Mitch will play plenty.  But so will Rivers, Burks, Noel and Bullock.

[kidcarter8]

This is a Thibs team.  Guys won't play because they are young.  SHOW YOUR WORTTH, period.

[bodiddley]

But you want the 1st pick or 2nd or 3rd, not the 8th or 14th.

RJB was the 3rd pick.  In a weak 2-man draft.
It really matters what year you're drafting.
Some years the #1 pick is a franchise player, other years it's just part of the crapshoot.

There's plenty of ways to build a team.
Draft.  Trades.  FA.  Uncovering hidden gems (MIA does great with the undrafteds).

NYK would be further along if we had simply drafted better at our given draft slot.
Knix gambled on Knox, a young raw 19 year old with a strong body.  #9 pick
4 of the 5 guys picked next all look significantly better.  Bridges x 2; Shai; Porter Jr.
Knox is still young but this will be a key year for him.
Similarly Knix gambled on 19 year old int'l Franc when three of the next 6 picks were Zach Collins, Donovan Mitchell and Bam Adebayo.
No matter where you're picking, there's talent on board and you need to identify that.

Three straight Top 9 draft picks - Franc - Knox - RJB - and Knix didn't get one shooter.  And maybe just one starter.  Not good.

Teams have been built with good later picks and smart trades.
Utah with Mitchell and Gobert and Ingles.
Sure Duncan was a #1 pick but Pony Tarker was the #30 pick and Manu a 2nd rounder.

As for BKY, I'm glad we avoided Kyrie and Durant.  Hell, we'd be trading for Harden right now ...
I like LaVert, very fun open court player.  Maybe if things start off messy in BKY, they'll look to make a deal and we can get LaVert.  Randle would fit there (sort of).

[kidcarter8]

Heh

Your disparagement of Barret paints you as a bit of a.....


moke.

[kidcarter8]

Current Knicks could be seen as Utah minus Conley

[bodiddley]

Franc and Jr. Smith are both just 22.
ObiT is also 22 ... 5 months older than Franc.
Jr. Smith 3 months older than Toppings.

Is RJB better than DeAndre Hunter the guy picked right after him (#4 pick)?
Hunter a better defender.  Shot league average on 3's.  Made his FT's ...