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Question: Which player in the mix at #9 do you wish most to see as a Knick?
Carter - 4 (40%)
Trae - 2 (20%)
Knox - 0 (0%)
Shai - 0 (0%)
Mikal - 4 (40%)
Sexton - 0 (0%)
BobWill - 0 (0%)
Miles - 0 (0%)
MPJ - 0 (0%)
LW4 - 0 (0%)
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« Reply #18885 on: March 05, 2018, 01:01:53 PM »

Mudiay sucks and i told you so.

It's a joke he is our starter after just showing up last month.

But hey we're tanking so keep letting him shoot and let Burke and Frank not gain this experience.
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« Reply #18886 on: March 05, 2018, 01:17:07 PM »

Knix have been effective drafters for a decade now.
Even have a solid overseas scouting contingent.

Even better the Knix have also realized that you rarely trade 1st round draft picks, and only when you can get a really get a good player and your team is almost guaranteed to be in the playoffs.

Knix weren't willing to part with a 1st rounder for Lowry, because they had already blown one on Bargage.  Ripple effects of previous mistakes.  But they also weren't willing to give up a 1st for Kemba, a good but not difference-maker player.

The problem is Knix are locked into 9th right now, and Maybe can get to 8th if the Bulls surpass us, with a vague outside shot of 7th.  there just aren't that many games left and the teams below us aren't really trying hard to win.  Kings rested Zach as they were worried about beating NY . . .

The other problem is people are saying this is a 7-man draft, and the talent always drops off steeply after the top 5 - 7 picks.  But there are always good players and even an all-star tucked within #'s 9 - 18.

Knix are competent drafters, I'd trust them to get it right.

Additional factor, our team is weirdly unbalanced.  4 PG's right now, but 3 who are very young, so drafting a PG seems out.  We've reduced the C glut by Selling Low on Willy -- where once again he's 3rd string C and barely playing -- and exiling Noah to limbo.   And since one or more of Franc/Muddy are likely best at SG (or combo-ness), we really have an SG glut (Tim - Courtly - Baker - Mud/Franc).  So clearly the need is to get an athletic 3&D SF.  I tend to support drafting for need/position, mostly because every year the Knix have an obvious void at one or more positions.

Careful, you're making sense...will upset Nagel.  

Good analysis.

Yes, there is gold outside of the Top 5-7, as per Donovan Mitchell...a combo with point attributes, viewed with 20/20 hindsight.  

As per drafting for position, well, we WERE DRAFTING FOR POSITION last year.  

We NEEDED A PG, and I don't think Monk, Smith or Fox has proven demonstrably better on any level.  

Frank is progressing nicely playing the 1 & 2.  

Showed some enhanced aggression and court vision and slick passing last night.  Rather than impede his development, the competition of Burke and Mudiay seems to have double-clutched him.  All three need to have eventful summers, and if Hornacek is still here (Nagel wouldn't take my offer of a wager), look for all three to get burn, as per the Phoenix paradigm of Dragic, Blesoe and Thomas.  Burke an offensive spark plug, and Mudiay shows a lot of promise as a facilitator, but boy oh boy does he ever need to work on his shot.  

If God forbid we end up with a better ping pong ball, all things being equal, Luka Doncic would be my dream date, SF size with PG skill set and drop dead shooting range and creativity...Drazen Petrovic meets Ben Simmons.  And Michael Porter, of course.  Both game changers.  

We could conceivably have a shot at the two Bridges over troubled waters from Michigan State and Villinova (that was for you BoD) in the 9-13 spots.  Many mocks have them falling into our laps, as well as Kevin Knox of Kentucky.  

Sometimes you don't get what you want, but you get what you need, as per us getting KP when Okafor and Russell were gobbled up.  One never knows.  

Bottom line.  

We need everything.  

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« Reply #18887 on: March 05, 2018, 03:04:27 PM »

Ideally we keep O’Quinn. Is there a way to quickly extend him if he picks up his option. I don’t mind giving him a friendly contract till he’s 30 or there about if we can have his services cheap next year.

If Kanter opts in, I’m inclined to sit KP and rehab him a full year and further develop his body for the grind. We can assemble as much talent as possible, and when KP returns, we’ll have another year and two summers of growth by Frank plus two more first rounders, hopefully some other useful finds and some money to work with. That becomes the target year for flooring a competitive team.

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« Reply #18888 on: March 05, 2018, 03:26:31 PM »

Oladipo 55/50/90 shooting yesterday - goes for 33-7-3, and 3 steals vs just one turnover
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« Reply #18889 on: March 05, 2018, 03:30:57 PM »

you clearly don't read my posts.  


March 01, 2018, 01:00:08 PM »

i've watched some college games knowing we need a 3 to develop and we are likely to be drafting around 9 or 10.

the 3 i like in order are

Mikal Bridges  Villanova
Kevin Knox      kentucky
Miles Bridges   Michigan State.

if all 3 are there i say take Mikal Bridges.  Kid has tremendous athletic ability.

the tournament will impact their draft status."

PS  ill take that bet on Jeff.  lunch in LA or NY.  whoever gets there first.

i'll even say that Mark Jackson or David  Fizdale will be next NY coach.

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« Reply #18890 on: March 05, 2018, 03:42:36 PM »

If we "need everything" then Colin Sexton and Trae Yong are on the table.

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« Reply #18891 on: March 05, 2018, 03:44:44 PM »

Shouldn't PG be treated like the QB position in football?

Draft one every year til you get your leader.

Would love to see the NBA go to a 4 round draft.

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« Reply #18892 on: March 05, 2018, 04:25:33 PM »

A 3 point shooter, please. Knix are dead last.
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« Reply #18893 on: March 05, 2018, 04:41:15 PM »

2017 - took NTILIKINA
2016 - took ------
2015 - took KP , passed on Mudiay
2014 - took Early, passed on Dinwiddie
2013 - took Hardaway, passed on Canaan, Franklin
2012 - took Papanikolau, passed on ------
2011 - took Shumpert, passed on Nolan Smith, Reggie Jackson, Norris Cole
2010 - took Andy Rautins, Landry Fields, passed on Willie Warren
2009 - took Jordan Hill, passed on Brandon Jennings
2008 - took Galinari, passed on Augustin
2007 - took W Chandler, passed on A Brooks
2006 - took Balkman, passed on Rondo, Lowry, Farmar
2005 - took Frye, passed on Nate Robinson, Jarret Jack
2004 - took Ariza, passed on Vassilis Spanoulis
2003 - took Mike Sweetney, passed on Marcus Banks, Luke Ridnour, Reece Gaines, Troy Bell
2002 - took Nene, passed on Juan Dixon
2001 - took Michael Wright, passed on Earl Watson
2000 - took Donnell Harvey, passed on Erick Barkley, Marko Jaric
1999 - took Frederic Weis, passed on John Celestand, Chris Herren
1998 - took DeMarco Johnson, passed on Rafer Alston
1997 - took John Thomas, passed on Jacque Vaughn
1996 - took John Wallace, Walter McCarty, Dontae Jones - passed on Derek Fisher
1995 - took ---------------
1994 - took Monty Williams and CHARLIE WARD (could have lost out on Ward)
1993 - took --------------
1992 - took Hubert Davis, passed on Kee Mayberry
1991 - took GREG ANTHONY
1990 - took Jerod Mustaf, passed on Dee Brown
1989 - took Brin Quinnett, passed on Greg Grant
1988 - took ROD STRICKLAND
1987 - took MARK JACKSON
1986 - took Kenny Walker, passed on Ron Harper, Johnny Dawkins, Pearl Washington
1985 - took Patrick Ewing, passed on nobody

- By the way, how does Knicks history look if we trade down off Ewing and draft Chris Mullin?
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« Reply #18894 on: March 05, 2018, 10:32:57 PM »

2009 - took Jordan Hill, passed on Brandon Jennings
2006 - took Balkman, passed on Rondo, Lowry, Farmar

These were the two that rankled.
When Jordy Hill was taken, JRue, Lawson & Teague (and Jennings) were all on board.  JRue a tall point with defensive chops (has been injury prone)

And Isiah outsmarting himself by going with Balkman then Mardy with his 2nd pick, taking the leftover PG.  No one else was drafting Balk 1st round (and so what if they would have).  And being okay with Mardy instead of Rondo/Lowry was a terrible mistake.  

Those two drafts 2006 & 2009 were prime chances for the Knix to draft a starting PG.  Both years there were multiple PG's available at our slot, and Knix passed.

And I kind of soft-pedaled things, I'm almost always in favor of drafting for position/need (with flexibility due to what's available).


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- By the way, how does Knicks history look if we trade down off Ewing and draft Chris Mullin?

Drunker?

Actually no one trades down off the #1 overall pick in a year in which there is a dominant player there (Ewing, Duncan, Dwight etc)
But to play along, it's obviously depend on what the Knix picked up in the downswap.
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« Reply #18895 on: March 05, 2018, 11:02:23 PM »


2010 - took Andy Rautins, Landry Fields, passed on Willie Warren Lance Stephenson
2009 - took Jordan Hill, passed on Brandon Jennings Demar Derozan

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« Reply #18896 on: March 05, 2018, 11:35:11 PM »

2017 - took NTILIKINA
2016 - took ------
2015 - took KP , passed on Mudiay
2014 - took Early, passed on Dinwiddie
2013 - took Hardaway, passed on Canaan, Franklin
2012 - took Papanikolau, passed on ------
2011 - took Shumpert, passed on Nolan Smith, Reggie Jackson, Norris Cole
2010 - took Andy Rautins, Landry Fields, passed on Willie Warren
2009 - took Jordan Hill, passed on Brandon Jennings
2008 - took Galinari, passed on Augustin
2007 - took W Chandler, passed on A Brooks
2006 - took Balkman, passed on Rondo, Lowry, Farmar
2005 - took Frye, passed on Nate Robinson, Jarret Jack
2004 - took Ariza, passed on Vassilis Spanoulis
2003 - took Mike Sweetney, passed on Marcus Banks, Luke Ridnour, Reece Gaines, Troy Bell
2002 - took Nene, passed on Juan Dixon
2001 - took Michael Wright, passed on Earl Watson
2000 - took Donnell Harvey, passed on Erick Barkley, Marko Jaric
1999 - took Frederic Weis, passed on John Celestand, Chris Herren
1998 - took DeMarco Johnson, passed on Rafer Alston
1997 - took John Thomas, passed on Jacque Vaughn
1996 - took John Wallace, Walter McCarty, Dontae Jones - passed on Derek Fisher
1995 - took ---------------
1994 - took Monty Williams and CHARLIE WARD (could have lost out on Ward)
1993 - took --------------
1992 - took Hubert Davis, passed on Kee Mayberry
1991 - took GREG ANTHONY
1990 - took Jerod Mustaf, passed on Dee Brown
1989 - took Brin Quinnett, passed on Greg Grant
1988 - took ROD STRICKLAND
1987 - took MARK JACKSON
1986 - took Kenny Walker, passed on Ron Harper, Johnny Dawkins, Pearl Washington
1985 - took Patrick Ewing, passed on nobody

- By the way, how does Knicks history look if we trade down off Ewing and draft Chris Mullin?

I dunno. Would he have been able to gain sobriety in NYC?

What if the Knicks had a better understanding of Bernard King and he had played with Patrick Ewing and Mark Jackson?

“For all sad words of tongue and pen, the saddest are these, ‘it might have been.’”





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« Reply #18897 on: March 06, 2018, 03:15:49 AM »

2010 - took Andy Rautins, Landry Fields, passed on Willie Warren Lance Stephenson
2009 - took Jordan Hill, passed on Brandon Jennings Demar Derozan


kid was listing the PG's we could have taken but passed on.

Knix had a long and fruitless period of lacking a PG.
Mostly filled in by a lot of late career ex-stars (Baron, Kidd, Bibby, Francis, etc).  Combined with a reluctance to draft a PG.

The 2 drafts that were especially galling were the ones where 3 or 4 quality starting PG's were right there for the taking.  The Balkman episode made no sense than or now.
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« Reply #18898 on: March 06, 2018, 06:25:54 AM »



Yeah, thanks Kam

The issue was the PG position
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« Reply #18899 on: March 06, 2018, 10:13:45 AM »

ACC tourney starts at noon today

Georgia Tech vs BC

Tech has a hotshot 6-4 soph SG, Josh Okogie and a hard nosed 6-10 senior defender, Ben Lammers (sleeper alert).
BC a junior 6-6 conference scoring leader, Jerome Robinson - also POY runnerup to Bagley

Will take a look at this trio....

Notre Dame vs Pitt at 2:30

Syracuse vs Wake Forest at 7
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