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Voting closed: June 13, 2022, 11:38:11 PM


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bodiddley

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Re: Knicks
« Reply #20565 on: September 28, 2021, 12:57:35 PM »

WHEW!  Good thing we didnt draft Michael Porter Jr
Look how much we'd have had to pay him.

You don't think DEN isn't nervous about dropping $35M a year on Porter?
He's a lights-out shooter and solid rebounder.  But has had two back surgeries and only started one season.  62 career starts over 2 seasons.  Drafted #14, everyone drafted ahead of him has played more minutes except Mo Bomb.  7/13 have played twice as many minutes as Porter.

Btw, Mo Bomb I pegged as a Top 10 draft bust at the time.  Always one or two or three Top 10 busts. Unfortunately for 2018, it's looking like Mo Bomba and Knox were the busts.

Anyway, Porter is a nice player, but with significant holes in his game.  Lotta promise if he can stay healthy.  Porter is still a weak defender, but not as abysmally clueless as in his first season.  Can you count on Porter becoming an average or better defender?  He's averaged 1 assist over 30 minutes, which kiid used to kill Uber Kelly for.  Barely gets FT's.  Does he have the clutch gene?  Can he stay healthy?  Could be like Gallo, who always showed promise but kept breaking down.

I also want to see how Porter and Gordon fit together.
Can they really pay the two of them a combined $55M a year?
I'd be spooked paying Porter 5/$175M
Small sample of health and productivity to drop a max contract for.
Couldn't they have waited until after this season?
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« Reply #20566 on: September 28, 2021, 01:00:53 PM »

At the Knicks opening presser, Derrick Rose plainly stated that KEMBA WALKER IS THE STARTING POINT GUARD. 
Makes the most sense.
But good to hear Rose on board with it.
DRose will likely start 20+ games, with Kemba missing time and maybe resting on B2B's.
That's not Thibs plan, but might just be the reality of Kemba's knees.
And Rose will often, maybe close to always, be in the closing lineup.
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« Reply #20567 on: September 28, 2021, 01:18:33 PM »

I think Porter has proven to be fully healthy and thus Denver's mini gamble has paid off handsomely

You need 3+ star players to win these days - accepted wisdom?  Well - One way to get a star is through the draft.  And Nuggets nailed this one.
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« Reply #20568 on: September 28, 2021, 01:25:12 PM »

Zaire Smith and Dzanan Musa are the two first round busts - with Knox - from 2018

Jacob Evans, Jerome Robinson not so good either

Complete disagree on Bamba.
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« Reply #20569 on: September 28, 2021, 01:42:00 PM »

I always try to determine the Top 10 busts in real time.
I don't know all 30 1st round picks.
Hell, I barely know the Top 10.
It's easy to look back 3 years later and see who didn't perform or was picked too high.
Every draft there are 2 or 3 Top 10 busts.

Bomba shouldn't have been picked in the lottery.
Same with Fortgettable Knox.
Bagley and Carter Jr have underperformed.  Also picked too high.

As we've gone over plenty, Shai, Bridges x 2, POrter Jr. were all vastly superior picks to Knox.  They've all panned out nicely.  Knox still has a chance to develop or discover his NBA game/role.  But the clock is ticking.
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« Reply #20570 on: September 28, 2021, 02:10:26 PM »

I always try to determine the Top 10 busts in real time.
I don't know all 30 1st round picks.
Hell, I barely know the Top 10.
Its easy to look back 3 years later and see who didnt perform or was picked too high.
Every draft there are 2 or 3 Top 10 busts.


That's fair

Bamba has improved in play and usage each year.  I look for this to continue.  Justified pick, surely.
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« Reply #20571 on: September 28, 2021, 02:11:56 PM »

Bagley and Carter Jr have underperformed.  Also picked too high.


but not in "real time"

heh

should be a fun year - I will try not to be so disagreeable.  (no promises)
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« Reply #20572 on: September 29, 2021, 12:53:23 AM »

Bagley and Carter Jr have underperformed.  Also picked too high.

but not in "real time"

Bagley and Carter are kind of the new Curry and Chandler.  They look the part, have size and talent, but something holding them back.  Injuries and a chaotic organization for Bagley.
ECity flamed out but TyC became a respected strong vet. ...
Maybe one of them is the new Derrick Favors ...


I'm not a draftnik. Most years I'm just going by writeups and such.  Some years I look at some highlight clips.

Usually the Top 10 busts are:

1) raw Big Men who either aren't motivated enough or just not up to snuff.  Big Men still get picked too high (Bamba, Bender, Marq Chriss, Thon Maker, etc).
 
2) Athletic defensive wings who never can find an offensive game (MKG, Stan Johnson, Wes Johnson, Culver, Nkilitina, Mudiay, keeping an eye on Okoro).  2a) Maybe Franc and Mudiay represent a distinct subset, defenders projected as PG's who aren't PG's, and can't score as SG's need to).
 
3) 19 year olds who have a limited track record and/or injury concerns (Knox, Kwame Brown types). 

Outside of blue chip territory (Top 5) PG's seem to be pretty hit or miss throughout the draft.

Generally wings, surprisingly including 2-way SF's, tend to go too low.
(Kawhi, Giannis, Paul George, Dray Green, Middleton, Danny Granger, etc)
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« Reply #20573 on: September 29, 2021, 09:37:55 AM »

Luca Vildoza is still in a walking boot from his Summer League injury. 

Kemba, Derrick, Immanuel, Miles...

[Gulp]

LUCA, we hardly knew ye.
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« Reply #20574 on: September 29, 2021, 10:10:43 AM »

Low risk.  Low cost.  Knicks getting the always likely low reward.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #20575 on: September 29, 2021, 10:19:46 AM »

https://kslsports.com/468527/jimmer-fredette-byu-hall-of-fame-2021-class/

Happy to see Jimmer to be back playing in China

29.7/5.5/4.8 over 210 games.  But hasnt shot well in playoffs.  Looking for elusive title - not sure how good Shanghai is.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/international/players/jimmer-fredette-1.html
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« Reply #20576 on: September 29, 2021, 10:48:40 AM »

According to Nerlens Noel, the team told him to work on taking corner threes this summer.
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« Reply #20577 on: September 29, 2021, 10:58:37 AM »

According to Nerlens Noel, the team told him to work on taking corner threes this summer.

Why not. 

Mitchell as well, one hopes. 

Hey, Embid and Brook Lopez and Giannis [all WAY BETTER offensive players and shooters] got it together. so why not, as a change of pace. 

Likewise, while Nerlens was an inspiring rim protector and offensive rebounder, he was pretty shaky around the basket and in the midrange, so...we shall see. 

I mean, it CAN be done.  Again, Brook Lopez has always been a gifted offensive 5, but only since arriving in Milwaukee has he really turned his three into a steady dependable threat.  Having him AND Portis to stretch the defense is quite the weapon. 
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #20578 on: September 29, 2021, 11:16:04 AM »

I like our bigs

The least worrisome group for me this year.
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« Reply #20579 on: September 29, 2021, 03:00:15 PM »

Told yall about Vildoza

Thanks for the pics Chip

I really like the work Mitch did on his thighs this offseason

Kemba starting is fine. Cap him at twenty two minutes a game. We should be able to get a Rose sized result out of a Payton sized run from the diminutive prodigal maestro now he has returned home
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