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Total Members Voted: 3

Voting closed: June 13, 2022, 11:38:11 PM

[chipstern]

Frustration.

I get it.

I am feeling it.

Radical solutions seem counter productive.

The second unit has cohesive  chemistry going back to last season.

The starting five has 15 games.

We are missing our startling center, our startling five has been inconsistent and Iincoherent on both sides of the ball.

Thibs has not adjusted to the zone D and packing the paint schemes the likes of Nate McMillan and others have concocted, nor has he evolved alternatives to living and dying by the three, though our starting five's D has dug.many a whole for us.

Still 15 games in and Knicks fans are screening replays of THE OX BOW.INCIDENT, and turning on a struggling Julius.

Fuck You.

Thibs has work to do and  must shoulder his share of responsibility.

We are neither as good nor as bad as we have shown.

[facilitatorn]

Every other player has to work that much harder defensively with Kemba on the floor that their output and efficiency on offense all take hits, especially against first units. I agree with 15 to 18 minutes, in one burst a half off the bench. If he is cooking, let him cook. If he is getting cooked, sit him down and go to the next guy or get the starter back in.

[bodiddley]

4Q, especially late 4Q, v, ORL, it was all iso-Knix.  Burks jacking a shot, or RJB trying to get to the rim, etc.  Players only passed when forced to.  No offensive flow.  Randle just meekly passing the ball quickly without doing anything.

4Q, ObiT came in a made a couple mistakes, then played great for a few minutes and then reverted to making mistakes (fouls, turnovers, missed 3's).  His driving layup attempt under the 2' mark was wild and ugly.  And about the Knix last gasp.  He's still developing and at least getting more run as Julius is funkified and the 2nd unit coherent.

Very impressive play at the 2' mark when Wagner catches Quix taking a bad angle and blows by him from beyond the 3-Pt line and jams over RJB's late-arriving help defense.  Rarely see a rook assert himself like that in crunch time.  Suggs also made some big plays down the stretch.  Along with Cole Ant grinding it out on an off night, good to see ORL's yute looking so promising.

[kidcarter8]

Randle is always a threat.  We don't want him dribbling the ball and spinning into turnovers.  We want him to make quick decisions to pass or shoot.  When LeBron came to Miami their record was 9-8 their first season after 17 games.  Eventually DWade let LeBron run the team.   Randle has to make a similar decision.  Trust Kemba with the keys to the car.  Don't go into dribble dribble ISO Melo mode.   


Julius gets 5 assists per

This is not by simply catching and shooting or catching and moving the ball along

But if this is really what you want from our All Star - though no other All Star in the league plays this way - you go, pal.

[kidcarter8]

Weird Knicks runout thus far though, I agree

7 losses

6 vs teams considered at or below our level going into the year.  Just one to a league titan (MILW)

Wins?  Boston. Philly. Bulls. Philly again. Milwaukee.

Shows that yes, we are good.  That yes, we will be there for a nice playoff run and likely appearance.

And in the East, there is likely no beast this year outside of Brooklyn, who we can play with.

Stop being caught up on little things like how many times a guy bounces a ball.

[kidcarter8]

Program note

Game is at 5 PM today

[kidcarter8]

Sorrrry...

Saaaaaaame starters.

[chipstern]

Word must've gotten back to him that BoD had him handicapped as a lousy defender.

[bodiddley]

So needed unlikely 4Q heroics to beat the worst team in the League at Home.
Let me guess ... it was almost all 1-on-1 iso ball.

Good to see Randle with a lot of assists.
We should play HOU more often ...

[bodiddley]

Gad, HOU had 3 ugly turnovers on their first 4 or 5 possessions.

Knick Defensive Breakdowns:

1Q
9:56 Randle doesn't notice Fournier got screened by his man.  Jalen Green zooms by an unaware Randle for a backdoor oop.  Oops.

6:37 Fournier thinks his man is going to use a Wood screen to get open outside.  So Jalen Green cuts backdoor instead.  Wide open but Theis rockets a bad pass.

So that's twice the Wood-JalenG screening action v. Randle-Fournier has been profitable.  Fournier does not look comfortable dealing with Green's speed.

5:42 A simple Gordon-Wood high PnR has Wood rampage down Broadway for a dunk.  Randle and Kemba didn't put up resistance.  Mitch failed to help.

Randle involved in the defensive miscues thus far.
Julius has tried to be more involved in the offense.  Popping some 3's, twice posting up like a bull and getting stymied, moving the ball quickly for open shots.  Much more purpose to his O; but pretty inattentive D.

5:10 Randle fails to block out and the Young Turk zooms in for an O-board (Mitch was blocking out Woods nicely).  Is this guy getting enough sleep?

Btw, horrible 1Q by Jalen Green

3:50 No help defense inside.  Kemba screened and Gordon drives to the rim.  Noel and Randle come over late.

1:45 Shengun crashes the O-boards while Noel boxes out air.

Extremely ugly 1Q.
Knix only gave up 20, party due to HOU throwing the ball away a ton.
The young Turk is quite interesting.

[bodiddley]

2Q
11:10 Tate rebounds and dribbles all the way down to the other rim.  Simply bumps ObiT out of his way.

6' Randle twice has trouble with Wood getting by him.

I don't have time for more.
Haven't seen the 2nd half yet.
But wow what a bad first half from both teams

[kidcarter8]

Let me guess ... it was almost all 1-on-1 iso ball.


I guess...

When we are going GOOD we are taking guys one on one as well.  The counter move to the "iso" is the pass to the open man.  First intention is usually to score.

That is the entire concept of the drive draw dish.

Laytely the pick and roll and creating swithces has also been in vogue.

Say what you mean - do you want more pick and roll?  Or maybe we just need to run them better (how often do you see a screen on the ballhandler's guy be ineffective - its maddening). Do you want to go back to the Riley days and run sets?  It's the entire league you are critiquing.

When we are missing threes the offense looks bad.  Key point #1.  But getting a good look can also be about improper spacing.  Are we smart enough?  Do shooters get to the right spots?  Generally, compared to other teams - no.

[facilitatorn]

Walton out and Gentry gets the Kings job. He definitely brings professionalism and experience.

Taj & Mitch are out. Noel, Sims, and possible Obi up front vs. Chicago.

[chipstern]

Jericho Sims is one two-way contact.

Luka Samanic, former Spurs #1 pick, is the other. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-oSNK_X7Po

Interesting. 

Okay, it's only G League, and it's not like he's scoring against Giannie or Ayton, but this is a skilled big man with size and an inside outside game.

[chipstern]

Glad to see Fournier with a solid game. 

I was texting with a friend, and suggesting the time had come to take a look at McBride at the point for 8-10-12 minutes a game, roll back the Kemba/Derrick Platoon to 18-20. 

Thibs was thinking the same thing.  Only he inserted IQ at the point instead of Deuce. 

TT's 4th Quarter Closing Five was interesting.

Quickley
Burks
Fournier
Randle
Noel

Julius finding shooters off of the doubles.  Finished with 9 assists.  A hopeful sign. 

Took 10 threes.  Not so hopeful. 

For Thibs to bench RJ in the fourth was pretty significant. 

Burks more adept at creating his own shot.  And he was a force on both sides of the ball.  His stat line says it all:

6-7 from trey
2-2 FTs
5 boards
3 assists
5 steals

I'm sure I'm missing some evidence of how he actually sucks, but I trust BoD will break it down for me. 

Julius and RJ out of sorts with the starting five and with each other.  Neither Julius nor RJ are getting their looks in rhythm.  A combined 8-28, 3-11 from trey.  Still, Julius with 16-10-9 and only two turnovers. 

Meanwhile...the Bulls waiting to lay some hurt on us. 

For some reason, Knicks Brain Trust seemed cool to the idea of Lonzo Ball. 

Scott Perry was pushing for DeMar DeRozan, who is having a significant second act with the Bulls and not unlike D-Rose, has embraced the three ball. 

Caruso was a terrific pickup.  He is a presence on both sides of the ball, either as a shooter or a facilitator.  How the fuck did the Lakers let him walk? 

We catch a break with Vucevic in COVID protocols, but the Ball-Lavine-DeRozan tandem is hellacious.  Bulls have really turned things around.