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kiidcarter8

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Re: Jimmy Butler asks for a trade
« Reply #675 on: September 19, 2018, 06:57:19 PM »

Yesterday none of you wanted him if picks were involved.


Now he has a short list of 3 teams supposedly.


Are you still willing to be patient?

FUCK YES. 

By all means, let's trade draft picks for a man on an ending contract. 

DUH. 

PS: He his willing to extend, right.  Well, bully for him.  He's upset with Towns and Wiggins?  By all means, let's bring him on to get pissed off at our young players.  PASS.

Sounds like Shaman refuses to trust current management.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #676 on: September 19, 2018, 06:59:26 PM »

"Run it by KZ...."

Screw that.  Kristaps and his brother dont run this ship.
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Re: Me
« Reply #677 on: September 19, 2018, 07:19:06 PM »

An ending contract -- no this is the Melo situation... he can extend and several suitors want him.

I would really think about trading this years #1 for a year of Jimmy Butler if i could get Top 3 protection on the pick.
(or if i could dump salary)

With a healthy motivated Jimmy Butler and his two-way game we should have a decent shot at the 8 seed.


And we would showcase MSG as a destination for a MAX level Free Agent next summer.

KD isn't coming here.

But Irving, Butler, Porzingis is a nice big 3

You are setting yourself up for disappointment.

Getting Butler here now IS the best way to get him for '19-'20 and beyond.



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Re: Knicks
« Reply #678 on: September 19, 2018, 07:32:16 PM »


Sigh

More shameless revisionist bullshit. 

Now he "didn't get the opportunity."

He got EVERY OPPORTUNITY. 

Averaged 21.5 minutes in 564 games over ten seasons. 

Everyone on this forum has a functioning memory.  So best of luck in rewriting your well-documented assertions. 



In New York, no - no opportunity for Sebastian.

I dont recall ST having a  questionable attitude - but maybe you can link to some evidence.

I think he had a good enough career.   No shame in being a ten year NBA guy, eh, Shaman?

Perhaps getting busted with loaded weapons in his car. 

Which, as I recall, punched his ticket out of Boston. 
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Minority Report
« Reply #679 on: September 19, 2018, 08:15:11 PM »

Jimmy Butler. 

What is it with Knicks fans?

No functioning retentive memory engrams? 

FIRST ATTRACTIVE SET OF TITS TO AMBLE DOWN THE STREET AND BINGO, YOU RIP OFF THE WEDDING BAND, TOSS YOUR WIFE INTO THE GUTTER, AND SWEAR FEALTY TO THE LATEST BIG NAME SAVIOR. 

I like everything about Butler's body, his body of work. 

He is a fierce competitor, good defender, gets to the line and shoots a high percentage, an authentic inside/outside game, will get you 20-5-4 night in an night out. 

So why am I resistant. 

He just turned 29, and wants a max contract. 

Okay. 

Now Kiid can explain to me why it makes sense and why this is not MELO 2.0

Minny not giving him the max this past summer is what apparently triggered his disdain for the franchise. 

I do not like the idea of cashing in assets, most significantly, #1 picks. 

I do not like the idea of repeating the MELO 2.0 template where we commit the lion's share of our cap space to a contract that carries him well into his mid-30s. 

I do not like the idea of changing horses in mid-stream, and basically contradicting all of the moves we made over the summer to make a mercenary our bell cow. 

Kiid is right about one thing.  A sign-and-trade right now is probably the best chance of getting him to the Knicks. 

Would I trade Hardaway-Noah and a lottery protected #1 for Butler?

Sigh.

Probably.  No...definitely. 

Would Scott Layden accept such an offer. 

I seriously doubt it. 

It would take a significantly more tasty package to gather Jimmy Butler into the fold. 

We have been down this road before. 

We are still recovering from INSTANT GRATIFICATION SYNDROME. 

I am most def prepared to follow the process through, and redefine our culture.  Free agents are not the be all and end all. 

Took Danny Ainge, what, a good four years to double down on free agents.  But first he let Stevens develop his culture, develop his youth, develop a winning template.  THEN AND ONLY THEN, did he go the free agent route. 

I recognize that I am in the minority here. 

So be it. 

I love Jimmy Butler's game and his competitive edge. 

But he WANTS THINGS HIS WAY, not the least of which is 40 Million per when he is 34. 

Let Coach Fizdale develop his own guys.  I do not wish to gift him a coach-breaker who wants things done his way. 

I mean, Butler cannot abide Coach Thibs, who helped make him the player he is, in Chicago. 

Butler cannot abide Towns & Wiggins, two of the more gifted young players, who are still going and growing through their evolution. 

AND THIS IS THE MOTHERFUCKER YOU WANT TO HAND THE KEYS TO THE FRANCHISE WITH ALL OF OUR KIDS? 

No Sale. 

Stay the course.  Get another talent with our #1 pick in 2019, and if a free agent is to be had, terrific.  If not, 2020. 

Meanwhile, let's see what we have, and how Fizdale's developmental chops can nurture what we have and put a positive stamp on the evolution of this franchise. 

No More Wire Hangers. 

Excuse Me.

No more quick fixes and instant fucking gratification. 
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #680 on: September 19, 2018, 09:24:46 PM »


Sigh

More shameless revisionist bullshit. 

Now he "didn't get the opportunity."

He got EVERY OPPORTUNITY. 

Averaged 21.5 minutes in 564 games over ten seasons. 

Everyone on this forum has a functioning memory.  So best of luck in rewriting your well-documented assertions. 



In New York, no - no opportunity for Sebastian.

I dont recall ST having a  questionable attitude - but maybe you can link to some evidence.

I think he had a good enough career.   No shame in being a ten year NBA guy, eh, Shaman?

Perhaps getting busted with loaded weapons in his car. 

Which, as I recall, punched his ticket out of Boston.

You may not have been a player or coach - but when you say "bad attitude" with a player it means ON THE COURT.

No sign ever that Bassie was a bad teammate.
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Re: Minority Report
« Reply #681 on: September 19, 2018, 09:27:19 PM »


Now Kiid can explain to me why it makes sense and why this is not MELO 2.0


Well, I'll try, for starters the guy plays some pretty good D; for seconds, the price will be presumably be reasonable Hardaway say, and a pick with some limited protection, not a christmas-buttload of assets (Mozgov alone ended up returning 2 #1s for the recipient) not quite mortgaging the future; and for dessert, as Kiid notes, getting him here now is the best way if you want him. Now if you don't want him at all, that's another story....
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #682 on: September 19, 2018, 09:36:09 PM »

Kiiid never said he favored a Butler trade.

But I am for getting better. 

Thibs isnt selling cheap, having given up Dunn and LaVine plus the pick that became Markaanen - and with a team poised to make a top 4 West run.
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Re: Minority Report
« Reply #683 on: September 19, 2018, 09:54:23 PM »


Now Kiid can explain to me why it makes sense and why this is not MELO 2.0


Well, I'll try, for starters the guy plays some pretty good D; for seconds, the price will be presumably be reasonable Hardaway say, and a pick with some limited protection, not a christmas-buttload of assets (Mozgov alone ended up returning 2 #1s for the recipient) not quite mortgaging the future; and for dessert, as Kiid notes, getting him here now is the best way if you want him. Now if you don't want him at all, that's another story....

Hardaway and a protected #1?

You bet.

Why not? 

Toss in Lee. 

Butler becomes our starting SG and fills in at SF behind Knox. 

What's not to like?

Easy.

Thibs.

"Fuck YOU."

Close quotes. 

NO DEAL, compadre...

I'll wait until next summer.  If Jimmy is still out there, we can talk then. 

Gladly. 
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #684 on: September 19, 2018, 10:01:35 PM »

Pay attention

Butler may very well be traded NOW.  These things tend to happen when the player really wants it

AND - the team he goes to can offer 50 mil more than the Knicks, if we do not do a deal now.

So...........

quite unlikely we sign Butler as a FA
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #685 on: September 19, 2018, 10:06:10 PM »

Butler to the Clippers

for 

Bradley
Scott
Evans
- picks
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So It Goes...
« Reply #686 on: September 19, 2018, 10:12:51 PM »



But If You Try Sometimes...

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Re: Knicks
« Reply #687 on: September 19, 2018, 10:16:30 PM »

Butler to the Clippers

for 

Bradley
Scott
Evans
- picks

Numbers work...

Still, pretty weak offer.

Does not get it done. 
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #688 on: September 19, 2018, 10:20:48 PM »

This is how the NBA differs from MLB

You can increase your odds of getting a free agent under NBA rules.

If you like this player you should be happy if Scott Perry makes his move now.

a)  we will be better

b)  we will stay better, maybe much much better and soon.

If Perry and Mills take a shot and it fails, so be it.

(likely Ntilikina is a good fit for them)

Lee, Dotson, Ntilikina...........

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Nyets
« Reply #689 on: September 19, 2018, 10:28:18 PM »

Just for giggles. 

Offer them...

D'Angelo Russell

And a choice of either DeMare Carroll or Kenneth Faried...both ending contracts.  Players ready to compete and D up for Thibs. 

A lottery protected #1.  And their #2. 

For the Nyets, an opportunity to go all in.  And possibly get Kyrie. 
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