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Who will win Game 5 of the NBA Finals?

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Voting closed: June 13, 2022, 11:38:11 PM


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Re: Knicks
« Reply #7860 on: October 21, 2019, 11:37:54 AM »

Do we have a Win prediction list teed up?
I think I made a pick around 30.
Season close to starting.

I don't have a good read on this team.
Didn't see any Summer or Pre-season.
27-34 is probably the range.

Guess I should check what the "experts" have predicted.
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« Reply #7861 on: October 21, 2019, 12:50:39 PM »

I just see too many players who duplicate each other and few obvious starters. 
Randle and Morris starting as the Forwards.   Who knows who the other three starters will be, and if Fizz will keep tinkering with the lineup every 5 games like last year.

One of the signs that Fizz is going a credible job is if he keeps this roster of players from requesting a trade.  If after 25 games certain guys roles have been reduced to zero their will surely be grumblings as our starters aren't a far cry superior to our bench players.
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« Reply #7862 on: October 21, 2019, 01:02:47 PM »

Oh, I expect grumbling.
Morris and Porter are emotional guys, with a bit of jerkiness to them.  Taj likely wants 20 mins a night and he's not shy either.
And that's not even getting to our guard play.
I still think a mid-season trade is likely for Morris/Franc with maybe Taj in the mix as well.


And yes, I'm already mulling over Morris + one of Jr. Smith/Elf for Sabonis.  Though with Randle on board at PF, that probably doesn't work.  Though Randle could me moved too . . . 

But Morris and Elf would really be useful for filling holes in IND.
They need a PG until Oladipo gets back.  They need a stretch PF to match with MyTurn (and replace Thad).
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« Reply #7863 on: October 21, 2019, 01:05:37 PM »

Barrett and Mitch seem pretty locked in at least initially. I like Frank as the other guard, though it will probably be Dennis. Trier is my dark horse favorite to snatch the spot, but I expect to see DSJ get first crack.

Taj and Frank will both get 20+ minutes as they are the run away best defenders in the front court and back court respectively.

33 wins.
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« Reply #7864 on: October 21, 2019, 01:20:24 PM »

I don't see Franc getting that much court time.
But if he does, then one of Smith/Elf is tradable.

How do you see the G minutes divvied up?

I don't think we brought Elf & Ellingotn in to not play ...
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« Reply #7865 on: October 21, 2019, 01:22:32 PM »

You could start a frontline of

C: Taj
PF: Randle
SF: Morris

Give Portis time at backup to the above.
Get the veteran forwards happy with their roles. 
Mitchell and Kevin are less likely to make waves.

Once the larger bodies in the locker room have their pecking order it behooves team chemistry that the backcourt bros find their levels.  The Elf-DSjr schizm could rip the team apart.  Combined they would make a decent PG, but you can't start both unless you commit RJ and Trier to the pine as bench microwaves. 

The "Bench microwave" role suits Trier and RJ at this point in his development but you can't use two microwaves at once ... unless the rest of the three players are basically there for spacing. How would that look?

Well I really doubt it happens but a 2nd unit led by
RJ as the ballhandler
IsoZo as the other G,
with a frontcourt of Ellington*, Knox*, Portis^ would be fun to watch slash rimward and bomb away.

You have the required spacing for the slashers to work.


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*such a unit would mean end of bench roles for Dotson and Frank
^I would have liked to put Mitchell here but without a jumpshot to draw away defenders his man would clog the lane on defense. 

Dotson, Frank, and Mitch would see smaller roles, as well as Knox from last year.  But if you have to piss someone off with minutes it should be the 2nd/3rd year players who get squeezed while you appease the veterans and maintain the locker room. 
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #7866 on: October 21, 2019, 02:02:28 PM »

Wow, that would be the all-time worst defensive 2nd unit . . .

Also, you have Mitch out of the rotation.  Wow.

Seems awful to not start even one of RJB, Mitch, Knox.
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« Reply #7867 on: October 21, 2019, 02:17:03 PM »

New York Knicks Projections

ESPN      BPI           538       VEGAS
26-56    29-53      20-62     27 wins


So it looks like the consensus is 26 -29 W's.

I think I initially said 29, but thinking maybe 30.
30 looks so much nicer.
We should have too much talent to fall below 26.
And I think 35 or 36 would be the max if everything falls right.

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Re: Knicks
« Reply #7868 on: October 21, 2019, 02:17:32 PM »

Sabonis reportedly being shopped.  Nice player.
Of course, Knix already loaded up on PF's.

I think potential trades will be viewed on their effect on 2020-21 and beyond.  What's Li'l Saba's contract situation?  And what do they seek?
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« Reply #7869 on: October 21, 2019, 02:27:44 PM »

Wow, that would be the all-time worst defensive 2nd unit . . .


Outscore the other 2nd unit = you did your job on defense.

Sometimes the best defense is offense.

The 2nd unit wouldn't be playing defense vs first units.  So it's not a big worry.

This unit would be put in for offense.   Lapups, FTs,  and 3s aka the modern game.
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« Reply #7870 on: October 21, 2019, 02:31:07 PM »


Seems awful to not start even one of RJB, Mitch, Knox.

Yes that is why i said i really don't think it will happen because POLITICS say you gotta start your youth.

But we loaded the roster with veterans who won't be happy watching young guys eff up.
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« Reply #7871 on: October 21, 2019, 02:51:08 PM »

Randle and Morris starting as the Forwards.   Who knows who the other three starters will be, and if Fizz will keep tinkering with the lineup every 5 games like last year.


Barrett

Point guard share

Just need to decide on Mitch starting - or Portis - or Taj

I'd guess we see BP opening night - and I dont care which point starts
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #7872 on: October 21, 2019, 02:52:58 PM »


Seems awful to not start even one of RJB, Mitch, Knox.

Yes that is why i said i really don't think it will happen because POLITICS say you gotta start your youth.

But we loaded the roster with veterans who won't be happy watching young guys eff up.

We don't have any Waiters on the team.  These guys will pull for each other.  The check is the same no matter the minutes
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #7873 on: October 21, 2019, 02:58:12 PM »

And yes, I'm already mulling over Morris + one of Jr. Smith/Elf for Sabonis.  Though with Randle on board at PF, that probably doesn't work.  Though Randle could me moved too . . .



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