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Re: Knicks
« Reply #8640 on: November 15, 2019, 04:37:05 PM »

Trivia:

Who are the Top 5 in FT% as a Knick?
(ie only counting their Knick careers/Knick stats)

I chose an arbitrary cut-off of 50 FTA, just to eliminate extremely small sample guys).

Completely off my sleeve... I'd say Clyde, Kiki vandeweghe, Allan Houston, Bradley, Trent Tucker?
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #8641 on: November 15, 2019, 04:47:57 PM »

Cant let Monk go all Coby White on us

Quick guards kill us.   Frank is smart but not terribly fast, and he often gets switched off the opposing guard anyway.  We need Mitchell not in foul trouble but in the game doing his thing altering shots in the paint.  And when the penetrating guard gets past the perimeter defense due to a pick and then fakes Mitch in the air on a shot fake to do a pass to the picker then we need Randle switching over to cover that secondary action and Morris switching to gaurd either Mitchell or Randle's man.   This kind of defense is possible regardless of talent. But it takes coaching and coordination and do we have faith Fizdale can coach up this type of defense?

That's why we are mediocre too.  We have some talent.  Fizdale has to implement a style or system on offense or on defense. So far i see nothing but random basketball.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #8642 on: November 15, 2019, 05:23:50 PM »

Trivia:

Who are the Top 5 in FT% as a Knick?
(ie only counting their Knick careers/Knick stats)

I chose an arbitrary cut-off of 50 FTA, just to eliminate extremely small sample guys).

Completely off my sleeve... I'd say Clyde, Kiki vandeweghe, Allan Houston, Bradley, Trent Tucker?

Only Kiki, tied for 2nd best at 88.6%

Al Houston  8th best 87.2%
Dollar Bill  17th 84.0%

Somebody named Sid Tanenbaum 15th best 84.1% from back in 1949.

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Re: Knicks
« Reply #8643 on: November 15, 2019, 06:00:15 PM »

Great Knick FT shooters? How about Pablo Prigioni and Rolando Blackman
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« Reply #8644 on: November 15, 2019, 08:32:27 PM »

Over 11 games?  Compared to 82 games in 2019-2020. 

Not much of a sample, but interesting. 

Three Point Shooting down from .426 to .327. 

FG% down from .505 to .469. 

However...

Rebounding is up from 4.5 to 5.2.

Steals from 0.7 to 1.1

And not only has his overall scoring jumped from 15.6 to 20.7, but his assists have pole vaulted from 3.2 to 8.5.

And as has been addressed, FT shooting off the charts: MB has hit 48-of-49...YIKES. 

Perhaps MB and RJ can have a slumber party. 

Was taken aback by how cheaply Indy got him.  What? Wes Matthews, a future #1, some #2 picks. 

So yes, Kam, point taken, or rather, point not taken. 

Your inspired Conley trade was, well...NOT

But considering we had all of this cap space, a pair of future #1 picks from Dallas [KP] and a pair of future #2 picks from the Hornets [Hernan-Gomez], seems perfectly reasonable to lament spilt milk. 

In terms of the Knicks, cough, thought process?

We just gave up our franchise player for PG Dennis Smith, a pair of #1 picks and cap space. 

We still have Frank Ntilikina.   

We just drafted RJ Barrett with the #3 pick. 

We still have Damyean Dotson and Alonzo Trier. 

On the other hand, MB is a gifted combo guard with a muscular 6'5" frame, an excellent all around game on both ends of floor, and at 4 years for $20-25 million per, not over the top in terms of modern contracts. 

So, yes, a missed opportunity. 
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Speaking Of Missed Opportunities
« Reply #8645 on: November 15, 2019, 08:42:03 PM »

All the time invested in re-configuring Mudiay?

Then we let him walk?  Signs a one year make good with Utah for $1.7 million. 

Looking really good tonight, going strong to the rack, and scoring.  Another big, muscular 6'5" combo guard.

Not like we couldn't use that.

Coach Synder praises his ability to get to spots, create scoring, and...DEFENSE.  So he is still growing. 

Oh, well...
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Re: Speaking Of Missed Opportunities
« Reply #8646 on: November 15, 2019, 09:12:45 PM »

All the time invested in re-configuring Mudiay?

Then we let him walk?  Signs a one year make good with Utah for $1.7 million. 

Oh, well...

On that topic:

Frank's rookie year when he was actually healthy was also a missed opportunity Chip.

We spent all that time on Trey Burke and Emmanuel Mudiay.

And that is AFTER first trotting out Ramon Sessions and later Jarrett Jack.

Frank was a bystander as the Knicks trotted out reclamation PG after PG as Frank dealt with it.

All those minutes that went to Jarrett Jack i understand.... he was a good vet role model ...

But what we did to Frank's confidence by not even letting him lead in Westchester for goodness sakes....

Just an eff up all along.   
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Frank used to have confidence
« Reply #8647 on: November 15, 2019, 09:20:23 PM »

This is a Knicks box score from two years ago... Frank first season.

 Look at his statline
https://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400974893

10pts 7 assists on 7 shots in 24 minutes

There are more box scores like this before we brought in Burke and Mud. 
Like this one:

https://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400975265

9pts 11 assists on 11 shots in 32 minutes


No he wasn't an offensive monster, BUT he was effective and productive.


Nowadays he's playing big minutes and putting up 4 shots a game with two-three assists.


He got lobotomized.
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« Reply #8648 on: November 15, 2019, 09:41:53 PM »

Yes, between Hornacek's Quixotic commitment to JJ (in between pissing off Noah and Porzingis), all the time expended on Burke and Mudiay, AND LEAVE US NOT FORGET A HOST OF INJURIES, I would submit that while Frank's growth curve was deferred, it was not necessarily derailed. 

Lobotomized?

Inhale. 

Exhale. 

He is only 21, is maturing into his body, and having come through a dispiriting turnaround in personnel, is starting to find his way. 

I thought his play in the fourth quarter last night was GUTSY.  And in both games against Dallas, he played with a snarky attitude. 

Still searching for consistency, but I think at some point we are going to see Frank and Dennis sharing the backcourt for stretches, likely with RJ at SF. 

As for Brogdon, I poked around a bit, and it would appear that Indiana worked diligently to complete their deal with Milwaukee in order to preclude Malcolm showing up on the radar of other teams, such as the Knicks. 

So, we need to move on. 

Want to have a fun debate.

What about the Luka for Trae exchange between Atlanta and Dallas.  Winners?  Losers?  Even Steven? 

Trae is pretty impressive, too.  Phoenix coach Monty Williams was talking about how you literally have to pick up Trae at half court, and he sure fried our onions when we played him. 

And with the #10 pick Dallas conveyed to the Hawks in 2019 to complete the transaction, Atlanta picked Cam Reddish. 
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« Reply #8649 on: November 15, 2019, 10:01:39 PM »

Phx for taking Ayton instead of Doncic or Young.
Sac for taking Bagley instead of Doncic or Young.
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Re: Frank
« Reply #8650 on: November 15, 2019, 10:03:43 PM »


Want to have a fun debate.

What about the Luka for Trae exchange between Atlanta and Dallas.  Winners?  Losers?  Even Steven? 


Doncic vs Trae is like the new wave LeBron vs Steph
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« Reply #8651 on: November 15, 2019, 11:08:00 PM »


Want to have a fun debate.

What about the Luka for Trae exchange between Atlanta and Dallas.  Winners?  Losers?  Even Steven? 


Doncic vs Trae is like the new wave LeBron vs Steph

Trae had a rough start but really came on the second half of last year. 

I really like his game.  Not just a crazy shooter, but great court vision.  And he exudes confidence. 

As for Ayton and Bagley?

Cats just CANNOT Help THEMSELVES. 

Are always enraptured with BIGS. 

I wasn't sure about Trae (I got religion), but I was Cuckoo For Cocoa Puffs about Doncic. 

They both take crazy shots, but hey, don't want to geld them...their attitudes are contagious. 

Rap on Trade coming out, like among Knicks personnel (moot point, as we had no shot at him at #9), was that there were concerns about his size and defense. 

Me?

Tough to choose, love them both, but Luka has that 6'7" body, and is so fucking strong, not just crafty. 

PS: Mudiay was playing well tonight, then Ja Morant came up court and froze him in his feet with a behind the back spin move that simply delicious.  Loves me some RJ, but if we had the #2, oh, well...
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Morant
« Reply #8652 on: November 15, 2019, 11:19:19 PM »

Morant is the real deal.

Part of me questions if Zion will ever be a guy that plays 65+  games a year consistently and that Morant should've gone 1
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #8653 on: November 15, 2019, 11:43:32 PM »

Cant let Monk go all Coby White on us

Monk hit the game winning three vs Detroit
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Re: Morant
« Reply #8654 on: November 15, 2019, 11:50:31 PM »

Morant is the real deal.

Part of me questions if Zion will ever be a guy that plays 65+  games a year consistently and that Morant should've gone 1

Well.

So Pelicans, with Holiday AND Ball should've picked Ja? 

Zion will be just fine. 
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