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Voting closed: June 13, 2022, 11:38:11 PM

[Kam]

We lost the END GAME - and that’s coaching

Starting without a PG was a curious move

I will just leave it at those two points

Yeah it was a bad showing by Fizdale. 
-Starting Trier instead of a PG. 
-Removing a hot Payton.

We could've withstood the poor play if the bad coaching didn't do us in.

[kiidcarter8]

Who is the PG?



Isnt it obvious?


Careful with management (Mills and his bud) creeping into lineup creation, as in "you need to get Frank some time".

Management gave him the 4th year, not Fizdale.  If there is info that Fiz had a hand in the decision, I'd love to see it.

We are SADDLED with that 6 mil.

[kiidcarter8]

I cant kill Fiz entirely since on the road down ten after a quarter he still had his charges fired up and in the lead late.

I think he motivates well.

Comes back to the thought that there may just be 6-8-10 TOTAL PACKAGE NBA coaches - while the rest do some things well and also make/keep friends well enough to nail the top perch.

[facilitatorn]

When you have Payton with 5 fouls, needing him to play pressure defense, with a bunch of time left, you better have someone behind him who can keep the wheels on for some of that clock. We did not step up in that situation. There was no medium mode between cooking and bogging down.

I think having the starting backcourt roles figured out will stabilize the roster and help the other roles solidify more quickly

Mitch Portis
Randle Gibson
Morris Knox
Barrett
Payton

Ellington, Dot, and Trier fight for minutes behind Barrett.

DSJ, Frank, and Trier fight for time behind Payton.

The job is going to be keeping those eight healthy and rolling.

It’s good we have Crazy Ivan and Kadeem the Dream under wraps in the wings.

[kiidcarter8]

Payton out, BARRETT in was the mistake.

[chipstern]

When you have Payton with 5 fouls, needing him to play pressure defense, with a bunch of time left, you better have someone behind him who can keep the wheels on for some of that clock. We did not step up in that situation. There was no medium mode between cooking and bogging down.

I think having the starting backcourt roles figured out will stabilize the roster and help the other roles solidify more quickly

Mitch Portis
Randle Gibson
Morris Knox
Barrett
Payton

Ellington, Dot, and Trier fight for minutes behind Barrett.

DSJ, Frank, and Trier fight for time behind Payton.

The job is going to be keeping those eight healthy and rolling.

It’s good we have Crazy Ivan and Kadeem the Dream under wraps in the wings.

A voice of reason. 

[kiidcarter8]

Yeah, the boy's got it.

But does Fiz?

[chipstern]

So Fizz Gets ALL THE CREDIT.

That would mean both negative AND positive? 

So the consensus is he blew it on rotations and calling time outs. 

How about the team defense? 

Hmmmm?

[kiidcarter8]

Should Payton start?

As I sad - does Fiz have it?  Does he see it this way?

[Kam]

Payton out, BARRETT in was the mistake.

Yep.  We had the 97-91 lead and momentum with 8:16 to play when Payton got his 5th foul.

So why take him out of the game?  What are we saving him for? 

He was inserted back in at 6:24 remaining and the lead now a two point deficit 97-99.

He played the last 6:24 and didn't pick up a foul.

I just don't like the kneejerk coaching philosophy that says sub a guy out when he picks up his 5th.

I want Fiz at that point to read the game... nobody was doing what Payton was doing.  Frank and Dennis were off.  So why go with RJ and Wellington in the backcourt --  you just saw what not starting a PG did when you had RJ and Trier out there to start the game when we started off shooting 1-11.

We needed to stick with the hot hand and IF IF IF he fouls out we should have a big enough lead by then that it won't matter.  That's what i would've wanted Fiz to understand.   You don't take out the main thing that gave you the lead JUST BECAUSE HE PICKED UP HIS 5th.   

I hated that lack of guts.   Just because its the thing you usually do doesn't mean you do it in every instance and this was the game where there were no good options besides EP at the point.

[Kam]

Top 8

Starters
*Robinson
*Randle
*Morris
*RJ
*Payton
--Possible 6th men--
+Portis
+Trier
+Knox

[jaqdavisone]

I think we got to go at least 9 deep,  Dennis has to get his legs don't let him become an casualty of NY after one bad game.  The kid was beasting with the Mavs.  Agreed he has looked like trash since he got to NY but I think Fiz is confused and he is acting like Phil Jackass.  He is playing to a system instead of to the players strengths.  Trier is NOT a PG he is a 6th man scoring machine, let him thrive in his role.  D Smith is not a passing PG he is a scoring PG like Kyrie, let him play his game that he is good at.  Peyton def earned the starting Nod. Mitchell wild defense was definitely missing from that game.

Peyton
RJ
Morris
Randle
MItchell

DSmith
Trier
Knox
Portis

[bodiddley]

Top 8

Starters
*Robinson
*Randle
*Morris
*RJ
*Payton

That was my starting lineup suggestion, though I said either Jr. Smith or Payton depending on who is playing better or better fit.

I'd like to start Smith for development purposes, but if Elf outplays him or works better with that 1st unit, than Elf it is.

And with Smith coming back from back trouble and not in sync, it should be Elf, at least for now.  And maybe with 2 yute already starting a vet PG is better anyway.

A long way of saying that I agree ...

[kiidcarter8]

AYTON down 25 games

"I did not knowingly........"

Yeah.  I did not knowingly smoke that weed in college either.

[bodiddley]

This was a banned weight loss drug/ingredient, not performance enhancing (?)  Or at least that's what I gleaned.  The info was kind of sketchy.

Edit: "Diuretics are banned because they can mask performance-enhancing drug use."

Though sports news gets these things wrong frequently, but that's what ESPn says.  Wish they sourced that, but I'll go with it for now.