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Re: Knicks
« Reply #10905 on: February 06, 2020, 02:28:10 PM »

Knix hire a GM on trade deadline day.   And this for a terrible team loaded with expiring contracts.  Classic Knickdom.

Word around league is these guys have the cred where players will now come more willingly to NY
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« Reply #10906 on: February 06, 2020, 02:30:49 PM »

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With team president Steve Mills fired on Tuesday, teams were under the impression that a deal for Morris could be done. Prior to the firing, any deal for Morris had to blow away the Knicks to get done, with both sides having mutual interest in negotiating a deal in free agency this summer.

Sounds a lot like our front office fiasco cost us, and we wound up with 2 days to get a deal together. We sure didn't get much.   

So how we opening up the roster spots necessary?

I assume the front office turmoil also responsible for not moving Portis,  Elf, Duke, Taj,  etc.

Just a poorly run franchise constantly falling on its face ...
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #10907 on: February 06, 2020, 02:35:54 PM »

Knix hire a GM on trade deadline day.   And this for a terrible team loaded with expiring contracts.  Classic Knickdom.

Word around league is these guys have the cred where players will now come more willingly to NY

That was the theory behind Isaiah & Phil as well ...
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« Reply #10908 on: February 06, 2020, 02:41:30 PM »

Lotta activity.

Rumor Drummond to Cavs for expiring dreck.

James Johnson rerouted to Minny for Dieng. Sounds good for Minny even if Johnson is usually overzealous fouling like crazy and jacking shots.  Every once in a while he has an all star game.
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« Reply #10909 on: February 06, 2020, 02:52:03 PM »

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With team president Steve Mills fired on Tuesday, teams were under the impression that a deal for Morris could be done. Prior to the firing, any deal for Morris had to blow away the Knicks to get done, with both sides having mutual interest in negotiating a deal in free agency this summer.

Sounds a lot like our front office fiasco cost us, and we wound up with 2 days to get a deal together. We sure didn't get much.   

We got a 2020 1st and a 2021 2nd.  That's not nothing.
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« Reply #10910 on: February 06, 2020, 03:05:07 PM »

Shams Charania

Meanwhile, the Knicks have acquired several assets for a player in Morris who was set to be a free agent. Knicks set to have seven-plus first-rounders in next four years in their rebuilding process.

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« Reply #10911 on: February 06, 2020, 03:08:18 PM »

Sad to lose Morris, but pleased the powers that be, have been, and will be, (Dolan/Perry/Rose) chose a direction, and executed a strategy that -- on PAPER -- moves the Knicks rebuild forward, and strengthens our position going forward with player transactions.

Welcome home, Queens own, Moe Harkless.
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« Reply #10912 on: February 06, 2020, 03:08:27 PM »

Whose pick tho? My sense is the Clips’
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« Reply #10913 on: February 06, 2020, 03:09:07 PM »

We’re gonna swing deals with all these picks. I don’t see it all used for players to keep
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« Reply #10914 on: February 06, 2020, 03:15:28 PM »

We’re gonna swing deals with all these picks. I don’t see it all used for players to keep

The "disaffected superstar who wants out" strategy.   

Minnesota hurt that strategy by getting KAT's choice DLO.

What if Embiid and Simmons relationship fractures?

Embiid is/was a Rose client.

Hmmm.....
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« Reply #10915 on: February 06, 2020, 03:15:39 PM »

Getting draft rights to the wiz 2018 2nd rounder who’s in Europe apparently
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« Reply #10916 on: February 06, 2020, 03:18:43 PM »

Knix hire a GM on trade deadline day.   And this for a terrible team loaded with expiring contracts.  Classic Knickdom.

Word around league is these guys have the cred where players will now come more willingly to NY

That was the theory behind Isaiah & Phil as well ...

There's a difference. 

With Zeke we expected younger players to want to play for him.  But we had no cap space anyway.
With PHIL there wasn't really any young players that wanted to play for him if he wasn't going to coach.
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« Reply #10917 on: February 06, 2020, 03:54:47 PM »

On hiring Rose:

Can see why you really need someone sooner rather than later. The question mark surrounding this could make a lot of things difficult for the Knicks to be setup for success this summer.

If someone came in in June they'd have no time to settle in and would have to immediately figure out the ins and outs of the organization, draft prospects, free agents, etc. leaving little time to make clearer decisions.

I'm not saying he's the right choice. I'm not sure what to think. I can see some positives and certainly negatives.

Pros:

- Has insights and connections to NBA players' interests/needs that could help better arrange the organization to be setup as more attractive to players
- Has relationships with players/CAA clients/agents that can lead to improving the chance of getting free agents or orchestrating trades for "disgruntled" players
- Not having been an exec of an NBA team could lead to new ideas (maybe he's shared some)

Cons:

- Never an NBA exec which can lead to several problems. One, especially, is knowing as a leader how to run an NBA team well when we've had such an awful way of running things for decades
- Being an agent seems more valuable as a wheeler and dealer with trades and free agents than with the draft and assessing/identifying talent
- Knicks have had a relationship with CAA for some time and it hasn't led to positive results on the court and could smell of a different brand of nepotism. You wonder if this could lead to bloated contracts due to "insider" relationships that could hurt the Knicks cap situation. The media will be wondering about this whenever the Knicks sign a CAA player to a seemingly bloated contract and could cause turmoil and doubt about the legitimacy of the independence of the Knicks FO.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #10918 on: February 06, 2020, 04:06:30 PM »

I hope we get to give a couple of bloated contracts
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« Reply #10919 on: February 06, 2020, 04:18:06 PM »

On hiring Rose:

Cons:

- Never an NBA exec which can lead to several problems. One, especially, is knowing as a leader how to run an NBA team well when we've had such an awful way of running things for decades


Well as an agent he's worked with plenty of NBA execs. Good ones and bad ones.  So he should have a first hand education on the best practices.
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