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Re: Knicks
« Reply #10965 on: February 07, 2020, 02:25:48 PM »

Iggy reportedly was being traded for Winslow and a roughly #23 pick before the deal was expanded.

That's a better return than MoHark and a circa #28 pick.

I'd say career-year Morris is better than 36 year old Iggy.
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« Reply #10966 on: February 07, 2020, 02:34:19 PM »

Could be, but Pat Riley knows what he wants and what he wanted was the Ig. Look around here not getting completely screwed counts as progress.
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« Reply #10967 on: February 07, 2020, 02:41:56 PM »

Trading your best player for drek? Not a great start. 44% from 3 will be missed.

Possibly only for 30 games.
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« Reply #10968 on: February 07, 2020, 02:45:11 PM »

Iggy reportedly was being traded for Winslow and a roughly #23 pick before the deal was expanded.

That's a better return than MoHark and a circa #28 pick.

I'd say career-year Morris is better than 36 year old Iggy.

Miami gets Iguodola for three playoff runs.
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« Reply #10969 on: February 07, 2020, 02:58:37 PM »

2.  A POR  deal largely dried up when they added Melo.  And stayed below .500.  But that's the TYPE of haul I was hoping for.   A prospect or otherwise useful piece + a pick closer to 20.  Hark who likely walks and a 28th pick is less value than should have been possible.  Great trade ... for LAC.



i am not getting in the middle of your squabble with Kam. But if Clippers fans looked at it as some Knicks fans do, they'd be going nuts.  "What, we trade Robinson AND our pick and don't even get a Morris extension?"

Maybe Knix should have decided if we were keeping or moving Morris earlier than 2 days before the deadline.  Also moving Morris a few weeks ago might have netted more.


It's silly to talk timelines like this.  And how do we know the parameters of Morris's ask on an extension or if we did/didnt try?


It appears we may have preferred this Ukrainian combo guard to Kabengele and/or Mann.  May be something to that yet.  Quite a few late first/first half of scond round players from that 2018 drfaft contributing (Yusuf was #44)
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« Reply #10970 on: February 07, 2020, 03:08:18 PM »

Could be, but Pat Riley knows what he wants and what he wanted was the Ig. Look around here not getting completely screwed counts as progress.

In medicine, the dictum is do No Harm.

In Knicks Lore?

Do LESS HARM.

Melo.

Bargnani. 

Curry. 

Marbury.

Strickland.

Ewing. 

Chandler. 

Porzingis.

Can I hear an Awwwwwwww Man?
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« Reply #10971 on: February 07, 2020, 04:02:16 PM »

The only Knick trades I can recall liking in the past 7 years or so: Getting Amare, Melo and moving Tim Jr. for a mid-round 1st.  There might have been others.


ORL game. Fultz started out scoring easily,  Elf took it personal and started stripping the ball.  Which took Fultz right out of the game.

Both teams took some ugly shots 1Q.   Including the wrong guys taking 3's (Smith,  RJB,  La Bamba, Gordon).

Knix had energy,  and were mostly up after 1Q due to rare fast break basketball.
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« Reply #10972 on: February 07, 2020, 04:20:07 PM »

I didnt see the game.  Would be interested to see the rotations in the horrid 3rd quarter and the impressive 4th

Awaiting Bo's praise of Randle, who at least statistically seemed to have a strong game

Solid line for Lonzo last night, dictating while taking zero shots within the arc.
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« Reply #10973 on: February 07, 2020, 09:44:16 PM »

Nice to see Hachimura back.  12-20 first 2 games

Napier really added to Wiz tonight - and they also got Wagner back.

Jerome Robinson not yet available, may take Bonga minutes
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« Reply #10974 on: February 08, 2020, 12:16:40 AM »

Only saw the 1Q.   Elf was the standout with 4 or 5 steals.   Randle was next best.  Usually Randle scores in bunches,  but this was more a basket here and there.

Most impressive Randle got a pair of 1Q blocks.   One was v.  LaBomba in transition.  Randle just rooted himself in the paint and knocked away whatever MoBomb thought he was gonna do.   Randle's had some multi-block games lately -- not bad for a burly guy with shortish arms.   

He's been more active on D the past few weeks. One game v. a good team he had two 4Q steals.  It's good to see Orange&Blue upping his defensive effort.
Which in the past has been occasionally disinterested. 

I don't think Morris was a particularly good defender,  but he made an effort,  was physical,  seemed aware what teams were running,  and while a bit foul prone, at least dished out hard fouls.   Mostly effort,  awareness and being physical made MaMo a solid defender.   It was also easier for teams to attack knix weak team defense with ball movement.
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« Reply #10975 on: February 08, 2020, 12:36:19 AM »

per Ian Begley
https://www.sny.tv/knicks/news/knicks-notes-how-much-progress-team-made-on-potential-dangelo-russell-deal/312678986
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A few post-trade deadline notes:

News of the Knicks agreeing in principle with new team president Leon Rose broke hours before Thursday's trade deadline. It's unclear how, if at all, that impacted the Knicks' approach at the deadline. But the firing of ex-team president Steve Mills certainly changed their thinking.

Earlier in the week, before Mills was reassigned to another role at Madison Square Garden, members of the Knicks organization felt that they had made significant progress toward a trade for D'Angelo Russell. It's unclear what package was on the table, but one offer included Bobby Portis, Allonzo Trier and Frank Ntilikina, per sources. The Knicks obviously would have had to include at least one first-round pick. Before Mills was let go, they were willing to do that. Afterward, it was about making deals with the future in mind.

Which is why they traded Marcus Morris for the package they got back, which included a 2020 first-round draft pick. New York now has seven first-round picks in the next four years. That's a strong cache of assets for Rose and his front office to work with.

One of the Knicks' goals on Thursday was to keep enough assets post-deadline to be in position to trade for a disgruntled superstar, if one becomes available.

They did that. Though it seems the potential for a young star to be disgruntled took a bit of a hit on Thursday when Golden State traded Russell to Minnesota.


New York also explored deals for several other players, including Portis, but obviously nothing came to fruition before the deadline. Earlier in the week, they talked to Indiana about a trade that involved Aaron Holiday and Marcus Morris, but there was no traction because the Pacers, per sources, preferred a player in return that would remain with them beyond this season. Morris is a free agent this summer.

With regards to Morris, the Knicks were hesitant to send Morris to the Lakers in any deal that didn't bring back Kyle Kuzma. They also wanted Landry Shamet in a Clippers deal, but Los Angeles never considered moving Shamet.

Support for Hornets deal
Prior to Mills getting reassigned, there was internal support for a trade package with Charlotte that would have sent Dennis Smith Jr. to the Hornets and landed Malik Monk in New York. Once Mills was reassigned, the club shifted its thinking on that deal and the Russell deal. Now, the focus is on developing young players, filling out the front office and coaching staff for 2020 and deciding which veterans to keep and which to let go.
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« Reply #10976 on: February 08, 2020, 12:39:43 AM »

Knicks did all the right things this week.  Reflected in their record on and off the court.
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« Reply #10977 on: February 08, 2020, 12:45:31 AM »

Speaking of D effort.  2 mins into the contest,  Franc got switched on to Big Vuj,  left elbow 15' out.   Franc first bodied up ans swiped at the ball to delay any rimward progress, waited until Vuj's man could recover.   Then Franc sprinted across from the left elbow 15' out to the right elbow 3 point line.  Vuj indeed fires to that temporarily open man,  but Franc gets there just after the ball,  doesn't overrun or get off balance.   Guy has to hold,  jab step,  reset.

Really a terrific unheralddd play by Franc.   Recognized quickly what to do twice on that play, blowing up a mismatch and an open 3 point shot.   

Also credit Knix team D that
 They didn't leave open a strong side shooter as we've seen day too much of.   The Big looked to recover to his man (I forget who).   The shooter left open was a long pass away,  and on the elbow so either of the other two perimeter defenders could get there,  if Franc didn't sprint like a mad fool.

Though you'd want the straightaway defender closing out,  so as not to leave an open corner three,  and the surplus Knick defender on the former strong side could get to the topside shooter to rebalance the D.   

The impressive thing is the Knix team D seemed to understand all this.  The straightaway defender badges a step or two to the right elbow open 3 shooter, saw Franc's charge and stayed near his man. The corner 3 defender stayed in position.

How often under Fizz did we see either nobody rotate to an open 3 point shooter, or two defenders belatedly close on the same shooter?   Really inept stuff,  as we tried to protect the paint.  Give Coach Miller credit.   Knix D looks professionally organized at times.
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« Reply #10978 on: February 08, 2020, 01:02:30 AM »

Good Begley article/info.   I didn't realize it was Morris to IND for some Holiday package.   You can understand INDy worried about FA Morris bolting in the Summer.

Jr. Smith and Monk both need new teams.  But we already have erratic SG's and don't need another poor defender.
I was wondering more about the Randle-Rozier rumor.

When you're a 20W team, you have to do better than the KZ and MaMo trades to get out of the muck. Now we're counting on late 1st Rounders to drag our sorry selves out of the bottom.
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« Reply #10979 on: February 08, 2020, 10:50:24 AM »

Late ones?

We have a top 5 pick coming in, likely - unless we make a strong run.

And we have a little something called cap space.

Shame that our previous number ones - that you liked - have yet to fire.

But seems like Scott Perry feels they will.

(Will Scott Perry be around for long is the question)
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