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Voting closed: June 13, 2022, 11:38:11 PM

[bodiddley]

'00-'01
LJ shows he has little left. He was a warrior playing in pain.

That was the year and that was the reason I joined the NYT Knicks forum.
The prior season I thought LJ was doing some seriously heroic ish, just playing his ass off.  Despite being somewhat limited by injury, he not just toughed it out and was just playing such smart tough hoops.  I joined the forum because I wanted to know if anyone else felt the way I did and recognize the heroic effort LJ was putting down.  Not like I had anyone to chat Knix with in Shanghai.

I had mostly thought of him as a physical specimen, not a hoops savant.
Basketball ref has LJ listed as just 6'6".  So it impacted him when his back was bad and hops were going.  Yet he adjusted and just always found ways to contribute.
LJ is the 2nd most famous athlete from Tyler TX.  Anybody know who #1 is?

When I first started on the NYT Knix forum, kiid was getting frequently banned and returning under different aliases, and Chip and others would spot him right off and call him out, and I thought that this was a rather strange chat board, but people were Knick fans and passionate.  No idea why kiid was getting frequent bans; for political chatter I think, in forums I wasn't reading.

Otherwise, Chip is good at this historical rehashing and remembering all the misfires and mistakes.

[kidcarter8]

I wasn't on politics boards back then.

[bodiddley]

Then you were getting banned for shenanigans in the Sports forums.

I distinctly remember this because it was such an odd introduction to the forum.

So why were you getting banned at the NYT?

[bodiddley]

'99-'00
Off a Finals appearance - Knicks had just dealt a future #1 for Mirsad Turckan

I think Turcsan was the first Turkish player in the NBA.
Maybe someone with easy wikipedia access can verify that.

When he was 29 he married the last Miss Serbia & Montenegro, who was 19.  She kind of looks like a slavic Julia Roberts.

[bodiddley]

'99-'00
Draft Freddie Weis - #15

Could have drafted Artest or James Posey or Kirilenko.

Draft J R Koch - #46

Both guys we drafted that year never played in an NBA game.  That's hard to do. Not that you can expect much from a mid/late 2nd rounder.  But that year the Spurs scooped up Manu with the #57 pick (out of 58 picks total).

[kiidcarter8]

Then you were getting banned for shenanigans in the Sports forums.


heh

the good old days...

all went down hill when the Yanks stopped winning.

[kiidcarter8]

'99-'00
Draft Freddie Weis - #15

Could have drafted Artest or James Posey or Kirilenko.

Draft J R Koch - #46

Both guys we drafted that year never played in an NBA game.  That's hard to do.
Not that you can expect much form a mid/late 2nd rounder.  But that year the Spurs scooped up Manu with the #57 pick (out of 59 picks total).

yeah

we know

What if Weis turned out to be as effective and headstrong as Kirilenko?  Europeans are tough to gauge.

But Artest was the easy pick.  Could not have been more clear.  And we arent the only team that should be criticized for that year.

Clearly we never saw Manu - or never in good light.  And didnt have someone that did see him touting his game to us.

The entire Dick McGuire era should be judged.

[bodiddley]

I think this article and this one trade encapsulates all that is wrong with the Knix.
Even in real time, people were laughing at the Knix move.

The New York Knicks are trading for Andrea Bargnani, because of course they are

[bodiddley]

https://fadeawayworld.com/2016/10/05/new-york-knicks-5-worst-trades-in-franchise-history/

Notice they are all from the Dolan Era.
McDyess, like Bargnani, was a trade for a gimp.
Though we gave up more for McDice.  Basically Amare and Camby.
I wouldn't agree with the Melo trade, because we got a prime healthy star, and Melo didn't seem willing to wait, and the Nets were itnerested.

[kiidcarter8]

I figured we could discuss year to year

Anyone want to take it from the 48-34, dealing Ewing (rather than get nothing for him), Mark Jackson/Marcus Camby choke year?

[bodiddley]

Nobody's stopping you.

I just got right to the lowlights.

So many of the trades have been easy calls at the time.
Curry was a slug; I advocated waiting for TyC to become available.
McDyess was a gimp; the high draft pick and Camby were more valuable.
Bargnani was a weak sister with injury woes TOR was eager to ditch.
TyC was traded for useless parts.
KZ, even with one functional knee, was clearly worth keeping and worth way more than the garbage selection we got.

Knix are really bad at trading.

The only trade that was reasonable and reasonably debatable was the Melo deal.  We gave up a lot to get the best player in the trade, a star scorer.  We probably should have gambled that he could wait for the Summer as a FA.  But none of what we gave was as good as Melo.  People were upset we tossed Mozguy into the deal.  Boo-hoo.  Does anyone even know when he dropped out of the NBA or what his last team was?

[kiidcarter8]

Any thoughts on dealing Patrick?

I dont want revisionism.  Curry had numbers.  Did he also have issues? I dont know.   The thinking of the brass at the time has to be examined, to be fair.  "Knew he was a slug" is just lazy analysis.

I stated Artest appeared to be a no brainer - a stand up double in the gap - but Knicks went for the home run.  And got the swinging K.  They may have been concerned with Ron Ron's temperament.  Or maybe they were seeking a certain position, feeling they had Ron's type already (LJ getting old fast quashing that in the end)

Sure.  I will do all the years. 

[facilitatorn]

We traded Patrick at the exact wrong time. Had we done it a year or two prior it might have led to a serious return. Having waited that long we should have kept him on through his contract at least and given him a chance to retire a Knick or move on.

[kiidcarter8]

I liked those last 2 JVG teams - though I hated moving Childs   Battlers.

I would have been OK keeping Ewing.  But I am not sure we could have cut him down to 2+ mil from 14 if we had.  Moving on after the 1 year, not having him retire a Knick, was the likely result anyway.

[bodiddley]

I dont want revisionism.  Curry had numbers.  Did he also have issues? I dont know.   The thinking of the brass at the time has to be examined, to be fair.  "Knew he was a slug" is just lazy analysis.

 

Curry had poor conditioning, weak D and a low impact on winning.  Which is why CHI was giving up on him.
At the time, I said No to Curry and that we should trade for TyC instead.  Chip said he wasn't available so my idea was pointless.  So we got Curry, who continued being not much help, despite one good year numberswise, before he injured a muscle most humans don't possess.  Then the next year TyC was traded ...