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Total Members Voted: 3

Voting closed: June 13, 2022, 11:38:11 PM

[facilitatorn]

With the long wings the Celtics run, and as a willing sub, Kanter makes a lot more sense on his current team than he did on the Knicks.

Heat looked good against Boston.

[bodiddley]

I saw a fair amount of the 1st half.  The announcers were touting Kanter, then a minute later he came in and killed a smallish MIA team on the boards.  I thought Kanter looked heavy and slow running up and down the court.  But he was nasty on the O-boards.

On BOS, Kanter is making just $4.7M, coming off the bench.
I'd take him as a Knick under those conditions.
For the Knix, he was a $20M starter.
BOS also has a number of young active defenders they can put around Kanter.
Knix didn't.

I could be wrong, but I believe I said Kanter's post-Knick contact would be about $7M and got laughed out roundly.

Besides Hayward's absurd contract, BOS has their cap in good shape.
Yeah, they overpaid to get Kemba, but you want a quality starting PG, you need to pay.  Jaylen starts making real money next year, but he's good.  Smart at $12M is a bargain -- this year he's their 3rd highest paid player.

[kidcarter8]

Kanter had a very effective 115 games with Knicks

23.1 PER vs 20.7 career mark

[bodiddley]

Which doesn't capture his David Lee level defense ...

[kiidcarter8]

knicks didnt pay Kanter - he just got Melo's money.

[lesterluv]

Apologies in advance!. But Carlos has called me out about for the Nth time so I'm hoping to put this tedium to bed.

NOW Carlos, these are YOUR STATS remember.  This is what you...YADDA YIDDA YODDA YODA

lol, Carlos could troll you daily until the pandemic ends and he still wouldn't catch up to your previous post volume on the Turkish Terror.
Turks did your wife. They did your mom. We remember. You got trauma. We understand.

now, who ya gonna trust on the value of Enes, da hamster or Brad Stevens...hmmm

finally, on D, yeah his D kinda sucks, lol, except for the fact that rebounds are an under appreciated possession-denying form of defense, and there he excels..
(don't matter your FG% if you don't have the ball)

[kiidcarter8]

Which doesn't capture his David Lee level defense ...

If he got more blocks and steals his PER would in fact be higher.

[bodiddley]

Thanks, professor.

PER basically just adds up box score numbers.
Which doesn't record defense and guys scoring all over your supposed anchor.
The funny thing is Kanter's effort oN D wasn't bad.  He just wasn't good at it.
Unlike Mr. lee who would almost obligingly move out of the way.

[lesterluv]

problems getting the relegated teams tourney off the ground:

https://nypost.com/2020/08/04/nba-running-into-problems-with-delete-8-camp-including-knicks/

really do believe the effects of no competition will linger into next season for us and the others.


*** re lee ... no kidding ... was damn happy to see him go..couldn't watch him do the turnstile anymore

[carlos123]

So here it is:


                   Enes on court.   Enes off court
2017-2018.   Knicks -5.0        Knicks -2.0
2018-2019.   Knicks -10.3       Knicks -1.5


So the net effect is the Knicks were (using the metric you tout) a little better (3.0points) when Enes sat in 2017-2018 and much better (8.8pts) when Enes sat in 2018-2019.   And this is not cherry picking games here and there which you're not even supposed to use +- for.  This is for the season.

So you must concede to me that Enes was a failed Knick.  And to be fair I will concede to you that Enes has posted much better stats for Portland  and Boston. 

Not comes the litmus test..... does Carlos modify the tone of his posts and stop bringing up Enes and me or does he continue his folly using +/- in the face of factual evidence.  Because if Carlos doesn't like facts that don't suit his argument I will just set him to ignore and never have to see his Enes baiting again.

Kamster, admit it, you can’t resist my “Enes baiting”.

I always wondered about the reason(s) for you obsession with and your hatred for Kanter. Was it the name, so similar to yours? Were you a Recep agent? Had some Turk hurt your family?

It turns out it was his +/- while with the Knicks. I’m assuming your stats are correct, obsessed as you still are with everything Enes Kanter.

I’ll keep mentioning irrelevant stats once in a while, so as to keep you engaged. Maybe there are other reasons for your hatred/obsession. Stay tuned Kamster, we know you ain’t gonna put me on ignore.

Don’t take it so hard, nothing personal, I just enjoy playing with you. Cheers.

[kiidcarter8]

Which doesn't record defense and guys scoring all over your supposed anchor.


Nobody posts up in today's NBA

Stop trying to fit shit into your narrative

And you are correct - as I said - more blocks and steals would add to Kanter's PER, so the 23.1 with the Knicks includes his lower D stats

[bodiddley]

Which doesn't record defense and guys scoring all over your supposed anchor.

Nobody posts up in today's NBA
Stop trying to fit shit into your narrative

Stop being wrong about everything.
No one mentioned post ups. 
Kanter was bad being the backline of defense on any type of play.
When guys drove past our weak G's, anyone with momentum coming at Kanter requiring him to move and think quickly generally scored easily.  He was useless as help defense near the rim as well.
Like many large C's he's not nimble enough to handle PnR's, the bread and butter of today's NBA, but he also doesn't have a strategy to handle PnR's.

Again if you can use Kanter in limited minutes in good matchups and mostly against 2nd units, he can beast folks on the boards.  Which can be valuable.  But Kanter as a starting C is very problematic.  He can't defend the rim.  He can't space the floor by shooting 3's.   He's mostly a boarding/putback specialist.

[facilitatorn]

Which doesn't record defense and guys scoring all over your supposed anchor.


Nobody posts up in today's NBA

Stop trying to fit shit into your narrative

And you are correct - as I said - more blocks and steals would add to Kanter's PER, so the 23.1 with the Knicks includes his lower D stats

Teams create switches and dust slow footed bigs or put them in high P&Rs and make them react. This is especially true of Kanter which makes it good the Celts can defend 4 on 5 if he gets rebounds which he does.

[Kam]

In addition to Elba I follow other Knicks communities.  This is the only corner of the internet where people are pining for our lost big man.   You never hear about him because in that same trade we acquired a better big.  The pick we used to draft Mitchell Robinson.  Why worry about missing defense when you can bring in a fly swatter type with lob skills for days.  The best shooting percentage ever!  And yeah, he can rebound a little bit as well.

We haven't missed our forlorn big one bit.

[facilitatorn]

We now need the guy who gets it done when Mitch goes to the bench. That’s still not Kanter.