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Total Members Voted: 3

Voting closed: June 13, 2022, 11:38:11 PM

[facilitatorn]

Harden isn’t washed up enough yet for MSG. Let some other franchise enjoy him for a while first.

[chipstern]

Is Lonzo better than....

Elfrid Payton

Do you have EYES?

So...

The Stats are irrelevant, eh? 

And the Celtics blew it when they passed on Fultz and Ball to take Tatum.

Heh. 

[FWK00]

Is Lonzo better than....

Elfrid Payton

Do you have EYES?

So...

The Stats are irrelevant, eh? 

And the Celtics blew it when they passed on Fultz and Ball to take Tatum.

Heh.

Lonzo will have trouble finding a home now that the Knicks have 15 PG candidates.

[chipstern]

Is Lonzo better than....

Elfrid Payton

Do you have EYES?

So...

The Stats are irrelevant, eh? 

And the Celtics blew it when they passed on Fultz and Ball to take Tatum.

Heh.

Lonzo will have trouble finding a home now that the Knicks have 15 PG candidates.

Lonzo is a fine defender and facilitator, and has improved his 3 point shooting. 

But his overall shooting is still rather dicey, he does not get to the FT line nearly enough, and when he does, his rate of conversion is dismal. 

Kiid was an enthusiast before he even laced up for the Lakers, and used to regularly excoriate Ainge for passing on him to take Tatum. 

He is making progress, and this year should be a good tell, as NO has a good coach and a good mix of youth and vet depth. 

[kidcarter8]

The Stats are irrelevant, eh?


I like Elfrid Payton

I think moving forward you clearly take Ball.

[kidcarter8]

And the Celtics blew it when they passed on Fultz and Ball to take Tatum.


Yes.

BALL was the pick

What do you think Celts do if Lakers take Tatum?



 

[bodiddley]

Can't believe you'd get Harden without including at least one prime Knick asset -- likely a NYK 1st.
Otherwise RJB (or Toppings, but since Randle would go for salary, it doesn't make sense to move Julius & ObiT).

(I don't want Harden)

I'd like to see a good post-mortem on Thibs time in Mini.
Some talent, some underperforming.
I never got a good feel for what was going on there. 

Recent rooks, Okogie and Culver, look interesting but coming along slowly.
Looks like they are going to have to try to outscore folks this year.
KAT & Tangelo might prove the downside of friends pairing up.

[kidcarter8]

Thibs never coached Culver.  Had to play Okogie at 20 due to injuries

The one pretty good healthy team he had there won 47 games, losing to Rockets in first round.

[bodiddley]

Bringing in Butler got them in to the playoffs, but then he was hobbled during the playoffs and they went out meekly.  Then Butler forced his way out.

Thibs was criticized for his over-reliance on vets and ex-Bulls:

His loyalty to his former players — Butler, Derrick Rose, and Taj Gibson — sapped Minnesota of young assets such as Dunn and LaVine and marginalized other young rotation players.

He also brought in Deng.

This article argues that Thibs once innovative strong-side wall-off-the-paint defense has become outmoded against small-ball and stretch Bigs.  Often leaving weak side 3's open, and requiring smart defenders to read and react.  This writer thought Minny didn't have the personnel to execute such a scheme, and questions the scheme in today's NBA:
https://www.canishoopus.com/2018/10/10/17955396/a-look-at-how-tom-thibodeaus-defensive-scheme-holds-the-timberwolves-back-nba


Also thinks the strong side, protect the paint system can lead to ball-watching and poor court awareness, the kind of sins Knox is often guilty of.

Some things to keep an eye on.

[bodiddley]

Thibodeau often has little regard for those above him on the masthead, and there have been incidents over the last two seasons where Taylor believed Thibodeau was dismissive of him.

...Thibodeau’s strained relationship with the business side of the Timberwolves' operations. Putting aside the fact that no one should be remotely surprised that Thibodeau—who was barely on speaking terms with Bulls brass toward the end of his run in Chicago—doesn’t play well with others ...

https://www.si.com/nba/2019/01/07/tom-thibodeau-fired-timberwolves-bulls-glen-taylor-jimmy-butler

A do it my way presence who often disdains the bosses, and has a possibly outmoded system that doesn't fit these players.
Squint and it has the makings of Phil 2.0

We'll see how flexible Thibs is, how well he develops youth vs. over-relies on vets, and how long it'll take before he rubs Dolan and Knick brass the wrong way.

I still think Thibs is the coach you bring in 3 or 4 years from now after you lay a solid foundation and have things on the right track and just need it whipped into shape.  (akin to Reilly taking over a solid but underperforming Knix team)

[bodiddley]

Compelling

[chipstern]

Thibodeau often has little regard for those above him on the masthead, and there have been incidents over the last two seasons where Taylor believed Thibodeau was dismissive of him.

...Thibodeau’s strained relationship with the business side of the Timberwolves' operations. Putting aside the fact that no one should be remotely surprised that Thibodeau—who was barely on speaking terms with Bulls brass toward the end of his run in Chicago—doesn’t play well with others ...

https://www.si.com/nba/2019/01/07/tom-thibodeau-fired-timberwolves-bulls-glen-taylor-jimmy-butler

A do it my way presence who often disdains the bosses, and has a possibly outmoded system that doesn't fit these players.
Squint and it has the makings of Phil 2.0

We'll see how flexible Thibs is, how well he develops youth vs. over-relies on vets, and how long it'll take before he rubs Dolan and Knick brass the wrong way.

I still think Thibs is the coach you bring in 3 or 4 years from now after you lay a solid foundation and have things on the right track and just need it whipped into shape.  (akin to Reilly taking over a solid but underperforming Knix team)

WTF?

Having disdained our draft and free agency, nothing to do but suggest the coach hire was a mistake. 

Sweet merciful....

This is really....

[ReBOOT]

Have some egg nog or better yet, some gg foo young, and have a safe and peaceful XMAS.

[chipstern]

Ladies & Gentlemen

Your Brooklyn Nets

If we get mauled by the Nyets this season, it won't be because the game has passed Thibs by or his rotations or a reliance on Vets....

It is because we are simply outgunned. 

That was absolutely terrifying. 

Irving was utterly dominant, and Durant reminded me very much of Kevin Durant. 

Their centerl platoon of Jordan and Allen was good for 18 rebounds. 

Their snipers Harris and LaVert [Shamet was a little off] were deadly, and until they called off the hounds in the fourth, they were basically draining threes at a 50% clip. 

They also played some D.  Held the Warriors to 37% Shooting. 

I suspect they are not going to pursue that Harden fellow and gut this team. 

Interesting to see Nash function as the Chairman Of The Board, and the Nyets run a non-small ball offense, but with plenty of D'Antoni tune and tempo. 

If and when we get past Saadaam Trump's 12 Plagues Of QAnon, and get people back in the house, the Barclays will be rocking. 

Remember when the Mets were suddenly the toast of NYC and the Yankees were exiled in Elba?

Thibs has a lot of work to do. 

[chipstern]

Immanuel has mentioned at times how he has modeled some aspects of his game on Lou Williams, CJ McCollum and Avery Bradley. 

“Those guys can play point guard or off the ball; create, shoot and help the team in a multitude of ways.”

Check. 

Lou just turned 34 and he is still DEADLY. 

PS: Paul George looked like a man on a mission against the Lakers. 

[FWK00]

Ladies & Gentlemen

Your Brooklyn Nets

If we get mauled by the Nyets this season, it won't be because the game has passed Thibs by or his rotations or a reliance on Vets....

It is because we are simply outgunned. 

That was absolutely terrifying. 

Irving was utterly dominant, and Durant reminded me very much of Kevin Durant. 

Their centerl platoon of Jordan and Allen was good for 18 rebounds. 

Their snipers Harris and LaVert [Shamet was a little off] were deadly, and until they called off the hounds in the fourth, they were basically draining threes at a 50% clip. 

They also played some D.  Held the Warriors to 37% Shooting. 

I suspect they are not going to pursue that Harden fellow and gut this team. 

Interesting to see Nash function as the Chairman Of The Board, and the Nyets run a non-small ball offense, but with plenty of D'Antoni tune and tempo. 

If and when we get past Saadaam Trump's 12 Plagues Of QAnon, and get people back in the house, the Barclays will be rocking. 

Remember when the Mets were suddenly the toast of NYC and the Yankees were exiled in Elba?

Thibs has a lot of work to do.

The Nets is a game where you have to consider starting Frankie somewhere with Kyrie as his defensive assignment.