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Re: Knicks
« Reply #20250 on: August 27, 2021, 06:07:35 PM »

Eric Musselman would turn the Cavs around, as would have Rick Carlisle.

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« Reply #20251 on: August 27, 2021, 07:16:19 PM »


Les, how many wins the Kicks next season? Mostly everybody else has made a prediction.

We get 82 games again right?
Played at like a 45/46 win pace last year.
Elf's gone, that's gotta be a +5 boost right there, so gimme 51!

**** surely a lowball, but trying to keep in mind that we did lose Reggie Bullock after the four-decade long search for a Reggie Bullock finally brought us Reggie Bullock and don't want to get tooooo crazy!
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« Reply #20252 on: August 27, 2021, 09:24:10 PM »


Les, how many wins the Kicks next season? Mostly everybody else has made a prediction.

We get 82 games again right?
Played at like a 45/46 win pace last year.
Elf's gone, that's gotta be a +5 boost right there, so gimme 51!

**** surely a lowball, but trying to keep in mind that we did lose Reggie Bullock after the four-decade long search for a Reggie Bullock finally brought us Reggie Bullock and don't want to get tooooo crazy!

Do not share your dismissive 'tude towards Reggie, but Fournier represents a big step up in terms of offensive firepower and options. 

Checked out his stats, and was 163-398 from trey, which is a .410%, which is impressive.  His two pointers were a more modest 85-163, for a .521%, which points to the majority of his output primarily being of a catch and shoot variety, which should serve him well in Dallas with LD. 

As a Knick, and while many people point to Julius' flailings in the playoffs, Reggie as an offensive option was extremely limited when the fruit was not falling.  His FT% for 2020-2021 was .909, which is impressive, but he only went to the line 55 times over 65 games in 1949 minutes, the most of his career. 

In 1259 minutes, Fournier converted 98-123, for a .788 FT%. 

He made 117-283 treys, converting at a .413% while putting up 258 two pointers and canning 130 for a .504%.

Which is why we signed Fournier and let Reggie walk. 

Evan will be 29 be October and gives us someone who create in the near field, off the dribble, and from trey.  Reggie turned 30 this past March and his catch and shoot skills should be fine in Dallas. 
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #20253 on: August 27, 2021, 09:33:08 PM »

Reggie was excellent because he doesnt need the ball

Evan wont get it as much as he maybe should, given his prowess - as 3 other guys that'll be on the floor with him at most times need their shots badly.  Walker/Rose, RJ, Julius

How's Fournier's floor game?  This will be asked every night before we decide if he helped the team.  Floor spacer?  Sure.  Ball mover?  We'll see.  Defender?  Same.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #20254 on: August 27, 2021, 09:45:29 PM »

RJ has to take up Reggies defensive load

I think he can do it and overall the move will help us
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #20255 on: August 28, 2021, 04:04:30 AM »

And, uh, who takes RJB's load?
Reg and RJ formed a strong defensive wing tandem, with Bullocks on ball and RJB flying around closing out.  You put RJB on the best wing offender and you're left with Fournier, an often unalert off-ball defender having to make reads and closeouts.  He'd likely be better than Burks who played that role on the 2nd unit and perpetually drifted too far off his man or was surprised by interior picks.  [most defensive breakdowns last year were either Randle or Burks].

Fournier is a decent on ball defender.  Mostly solid positioning and sufficient effort, mediocre lateral speed.  You task RJB with on ball defense and he might find himself often in foul trouble, as he's not a great on-ball defender yet; while I don't trust Fournier's focus or footspeed on closeouts or  help. 

I'd rather keep RJB in the role he excelled at, defensive perimeter help defense, making reads and closeouts utilizing his speed, hustle and vision.   Obviously both players will have to do some of each, but I'd play to their strengths.  So Fournier in Bullox's role on D with RJB reprising his switching, closeout, help role.  We'll see if Thibs agrees.


A starting lineup of Kemba - RJB & Fournier - Randle - Noel or Mitch puts a good deal of pressure on RJB and our C's to clean up messes.  A big part of last year's strong defense was the ability to keep teams to a low 3Pt % while guarding the rim.  Some of that seemed teams just missed open shots.  Can that 3Pt defense be replicated?

 Then the bench looks like an outscore'em unit, with Burks, Quix, Rose and Obit not much on D.  Actually Rose was fairly effective on D, slowly going over screens but staying in the play and forcing PG's to make decisions under pressure.  Credit for Thibs for having simple clear rules of engagement, so players know where to be and what to do. 

I'm interested in seeing how Fournier does on PnR's.  And we'll see if teams hunt out Kemba for switches, though for some reason that's a common playoff strategy, but teams don't hunt out the weakest or smallest defender much regular season.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #20256 on: August 28, 2021, 12:41:13 PM »

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Re: Knicks
« Reply #20257 on: August 28, 2021, 01:21:21 PM »

Sure. Knicks finish at 41 - 41. Tough field plus injury to important players.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #20258 on: August 28, 2021, 01:34:11 PM »

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I think MitchR is Knicks most important player. If he stays healthy and relatively consistent they continue to improve. If its Noel again, we regress. Here I'm being optimistic assuming he's in good shape.
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« Reply #20259 on: August 28, 2021, 02:32:55 PM »

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Re: Knicks
« Reply #20260 on: August 28, 2021, 04:59:58 PM »

Monster Mitch

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« Reply #20261 on: August 28, 2021, 05:20:19 PM »

Monster Mitch

Fingers crossed

Got that right. 

Between Nerlens & Jericho, Thibs & Payne, he will not lack for competitive inspiration. 

And I suspect that Leon and Scott are going to extend him in the near future. 

Least ways we can look forward to camp without the endless drumbeat of moronic fantasy trades where we toss him in as a sweetener without a second thought.  Nor without defaming the karma that we netted him with the #36 pick [much as we nabbed McBride], a pick that Scott Perry obtained from OKC [via Chicago] after Phool Jackoff & Charlie Rosen had taken a big dump in the public pool of a trade market for Carmelo Anthony. 

Mitchell has come a long way, and he responded to an early snarky assessment by Thibs with a level of play and competitive focus that had TT eating out of his hand.   Clearly he has not kept walking boot from interfering with his conditioning, and has added some Randle-like muscle to his Scarecrow like frame. 
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #20262 on: August 28, 2021, 06:00:45 PM »

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I think MitchR is Knicks most important player. If he stays healthy and relatively consistent they continue to improve. If its Noel again, we regress. Here I'm being optimistic assuming he's in good shape.

Cover those bases...
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« Reply #20263 on: August 28, 2021, 06:02:14 PM »

And I suspect that Leon and Scott are going to extend him in the near future.


They may have already - except there are demands
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #20264 on: August 28, 2021, 06:13:55 PM »

https://nypost.com/2021/08/23/knicks-open-to-mitchell-robinson-contract-extension-before-season/

NBA intelligentsia regard the four-year, $54 million contract extension the Celtics lavished last week on center Robert Williams as an outlier and not commensurate with market standards .....
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