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Total Members Voted: 3

Voting closed: June 13, 2022, 11:38:11 PM

[Kam]

Lets not give up two rotation players just to move off Randle even if it gets us a 2027 first round pick.

It's about moving off a poison contract with the chance to torpedo our season.    Do y'all forget last year?

Open that cap space up, and open that time for OBI.   Win Win.

[facilitatorn]

If we want to help the Lakers move off Rusty, give them Jules and Fournier. We give up less talent and more salary that way.

[chipstern]

The idea that Randle's contract is poison is such unmitigated, hysterical, hissyfit BullShit. 

Starting with      2022-23

Jalen Brunson   $27,733,332   $26,346,666   $24,960,001   $24,960,001

Julius Randle   $23,760,000   $25,660,800   $27,561,600   $29,462,400

RJ Barrett           $10,900,634   $23,883,929   $25,794,643   $27,705,357   $29,616,071

Evan Fournier   $18,000,000   $18,857,143   $19,000,000

Mitchell Robinson   $17,045,454   $15,681,818   $14,318,182   $12,954,546

Derrick Rose   $14,520,730   $15,596,339

Green = Player Option

Red = Team Option

All in the name of some psychic vendetta/payback. 

Would I be open to trading Julius and Evan?

If we get back actual talent or actual assets. 

I get the open up playing time for Obi & Quentin scenarios. 

The ideal way for that to happen to is to play their ass off on offense and defense in training camp and challenge Julius and Evan for every minute. 

And your "scenario" involves offloading Thibs main man Rose and 23 year old Cam and taking back 32 year old career slug Trey FUCKING Lyles. 

Just...STOP already.

Get psyched for TRAINING CAMP, not a Randle Phatwah.

PS: This one's for you Facil.  The New York Knicks are signing forward DaQuan Jeffries on a training camp deal

[facilitatorn]

I just came by to post about that. I like the move and think Jefferies could stick.

Lyles is 27 by the way. He has a long way to go till 32. 

Jules is here for now. Let us hope he can get out of his own way. If he does, he could be very helpful to the team.

[chipstern]

I just came by to post about that. I like the move and think Jefferies could stick.

Lyles is 27 by the way. He has a long way to go till 32. 

Jules is here for now. Let us hope he can get out of his own way. If he does, he could be very helpful to the team.

Trey Bien

My bad

Another Trey

Torrey Craig

Still doesn't add up. 

[elephant]

Excited about seeing Hartenstein. But I don't believe the Knicks gave Mitchell that contract to lead the 2nd team, and it feels absurd to imagine he'll be used that way.

I don't get Westbrook thing either. Yes, I grasp the money part. But is he suggesting Thibs should just park Westbrook on the bench, something that seems incredibly toxic for the whole team, or that they pay Westbrook and then release him?

[Kam]

Westbrook wouldn't suit up.  He'd stay at home collecting his expiring salary until which time he is released or dealt.

The prize is the Lakers pick, YES 5 years out, as they might be quite crummy by then.

[kidcarter8]

I think this team could certainly finish above .500

 


uhh....  no way

[chipstern]

Westbrook wouldn't suit up.  He'd stay at home collecting his expiring salary until which time he is released or dealt.

The prize is the Lakers pick, YES 5 years out, as they might be quite crummy by then.

Randle
Rose
Reddish

For a player who won't suit up

And a prize draft pick five years in the future

Yes sir.  You sure do drive a hard bargain. 

[Kam]

Westbrook wouldn't suit up.  He'd stay at home collecting his expiring salary until which time he is released or dealt.

The prize is the Lakers pick, YES 5 years out, as they might be quite crummy by then.

Randle
Rose
Reddish

For a player who won't suit up

And a prize draft pick five years in the future

Yes sir.  You sure do drive a hard bargain.

Randle.  for Obi
Rose.  for IQ
Reddish. for the draft pick.


Which minutes breakdown serves our youth and cap sheet?

Proposed minutes totals: Brunson 34, Barrett 34, Grimes 32, Toppin 32, Quickley 30, Hartenstein 24, Robinson 24, Fournier 18, McBride 12

Proposed minutes totals: Brunson 32, Barrett 32, Randle 28, Grimes 26, Toppin 24 Quickley 24, Robinson 22, Hartenstein 22, Fournier 16, Rose 14

[facilitatorn]

Proposed minutes totals: Brunson 32, Barrett 32, Randle 28, Grimes 26, Toppin 24 Quickley 24, Robinson 22, Hartenstein 22, Fournier 16, Rose 14

I would shave a little off Quickley, unless he gets minutes off Brunson, and give them and all of the Fournier minutes to Cam, giving him 20.

That would be a good look, keeping the team fresh so it could sprint through the fourth quarter.

[Kam]

Agree to disagree.   We need IQ to play more minutes in my book. 

[elephant]

Seems silly to break down minutes this way.

Yeah, I appreciate the reminder that there's only so much time available to split among players.

But any breakdown of minutes should obviously change week by week, no? In most cases, if a guy is playing extremely well or proving especially useful, he gets more hours. And if he sucks, he spends more time sitting.

So at this point, talking about whether Quickly should play 24 minutes or 21 minutes seems absurd.

[chipstern]

A few notes as we get closer to the start of Knicks training camp:

MORE MINUTES FOR QUICKLEY?

Tom Thibodeau and the coaching staff have plenty of decisions to make when it comes to roles and minutes this season.

Will young players such as Cam Reddish And Quentin Grimes play ahead of veterans Derrick Rose and Evan Fournier

Will the Knicks try to balance minutes of veterans and young players

Or will they lean toward veterans as they did in the first half of 2021 22

Most of those questions are unanswered at the moment but there is an expectation that Immanuel Quickley will get an increased role early on in per people familiar with the matter.

Quickley averaged 27 minutes per game after the All-Star break and had several strong outings as a playmaker in that time frame and several solid shooting stretches

So it makes sense for New York to give Quickley an expanded role early on

Will other young players such as Reddish Obi Grimes and McBride get more minutes early in the year

Based on the events of last season and this offseason it is fair to assume that Grimes will have a bigger role

To get more minutes for Toppin, the Knicks would probably have to reduce Julius Randle minutes or play Toppin and Randle together thereby keeping Mitchell Robinson and Isaiah Hartenstein on the bench

WHAT ABOUT CAM
 
Reddish role certainly bears watching

His rehab has gone well and people who have seen him in offseason workouts say the 23 year old has looked phenomenal over the summer andearly fall

[chipstern]

Have inked Dennis Schroeder to a one year deal. 

Talk of Westbrook coming off the bench, which makes a certain amount of sense, in terms of having him anchor a unit where he is the unquestioned lead dog and his style of play is maxed out.