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Who will win Game 5 of the NBA Finals?

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Voting closed: June 13, 2022, 11:38:11 PM


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Re: Knicks
« Reply #26805 on: June 30, 2023, 04:11:53 PM »

We've got to make moves.

I'd hate to lose IQ or Grimes, but of course it's possible.

Losing IQ would hurt, because the guy has improved every season. You can see the work he puts in. He's smart and adaptable.
Losing Grimes would hurt, because I think the motherfucker is a talent, and first in line to have a breakout year.

But, yeah, I'm cool with losing Obi or RJ.

Losing Obi would hurt, because he's so fucking fun to watch. And great energy. But if we can't play him properly, I'd prefer to see him blossom on another team.

Losing RJ will not hurt IMHO. He's a nice ballplayer and a good guy, but a terrible tandem with Randle. Moreover as can be seen in his pro career, he's consistently awful in the clutch. We can do better.

Maybe saying they're a "terrible tandem" is an overstatement. They have obviously worked together to win games. But if the team wants to get to a higher level? I think they've gone as far together as they could.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #26806 on: June 30, 2023, 04:44:46 PM »

Hopefully we are not looking to lose guys but to upgrade more than we downgrade in any of our moves.

I think the team is being built with the expectation to exceed the tax in the season after this one, but could possibly accept going there now for a clear upgrade in talent.

The trick will be not to double down on things we already do well, but to address one or another of the serious holes we still have.
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Be Careful What You Wish For
« Reply #26807 on: June 30, 2023, 05:34:46 PM »

Losing RJ will not hurt IMHO. He's a nice ballplayer and a good guy, but a terrible tandem with Randle. Moreover as can be seen in his pro career, he's consistently awful in the clutch. We can do better.

We've GOT to make moves?

COUGH

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Re: Be Careful What You Wish For
« Reply #26808 on: June 30, 2023, 09:14:16 PM »

Losing RJ will not hurt IMHO. He's a nice ballplayer and a good guy, but a terrible tandem with Randle. Moreover as can be seen in his pro career, he's consistently awful in the clutch. We can do better.

We've GOT to make moves?

COUGH

You're saying we're built just fine to go deep into the playoffs?

Keep the same starting unit, the same coach, just tweak things around the edges?

Good luck with that!

Even with Brunson, our ceiling seems apparent.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #26809 on: June 30, 2023, 09:16:07 PM »

Interesting to compare Van Fleet getting 130 million over 3 to Kuzma's 102 over 4.

Much larger gap than I would have figured.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #26810 on: June 30, 2023, 09:59:52 PM »

Interesting to compare Van Fleet getting 130 million over 3 to Kuzma's 102 over 4.

Much larger gap than I would have figured.
Interesting to compare Van Fleet getting 130 million over 3 to Kuzma's 102 over 4.

Much larger gap than I would have figured.

And Brunson 4 x 104
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Re: Be Careful What You Wish For
« Reply #26811 on: June 30, 2023, 10:00:43 PM »

Losing RJ will not hurt IMHO. He's a nice ballplayer and a good guy, but a terrible tandem with Randle. Moreover as can be seen in his pro career, he's consistently awful in the clutch. We can do better.

We've GOT to make moves?

COUGH

You're saying we're built just fine to go deep into the playoffs?

Keep the same starting unit, the same coach, just tweak things around the edges?

Good luck with that!

Even with Brunson, our ceiling seems apparent.

Better a ceiling than a basement floor
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Cam Reddish
« Reply #26812 on: June 30, 2023, 10:02:27 PM »

A Laker.

So is Gabe Vincent.

Schroeder a Raptor
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« Reply #26813 on: June 30, 2023, 10:04:53 PM »

Are we really writing off RJ as a bum?

Seem to recall him lighting things up in the playoffs...

Perhaps it's that drink Aaron Rodgers gave me.
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« Reply #26814 on: June 30, 2023, 10:20:51 PM »

Are we really writing off RJ as a bum?

Seem to recall him lighting things up in the playoffs...

Perhaps it's that drink Aaron Rodgers gave me.

This shit again.

I never called him a bum. He has lot of strengths. But he shoots too much; plays well when it doesn't matter and poorly when it does; and his best moments typically come against weaker opponents.

Not a great rebounder or defender. Not the kind of guy whose play leads to wins.

He can still play a good role on a good team. Just not this one. At least not with Randle on the floor at the same time.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #26815 on: June 30, 2023, 10:58:25 PM »

Interesting to compare Van Fleet getting 130 million over 3 to Kuzma's 102 over 4.

Much larger gap than I would have figured.

I am scratching my head over Cam Johnson getting 108 compared to 102 for Kuz.

Fred is getting paid to adult as well as play, to make men out of the boys. That gets him a premium and the Rockets had space to burn.
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« Reply #26816 on: June 30, 2023, 11:04:29 PM »

We should get improvements from cohesion after a deepish playoff run understanding each other and the tests involved.

I think Roby can seriously help with our biggest weakness, checking bigger badasses, and being able to plan with Hart on board from day one.

I am waiting for DiVincenzo to find a home out west, maybe in Texas.

Rose to Memphis. I do not mind that.
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« Reply #26817 on: July 01, 2023, 07:54:03 AM »

Are we really writing off RJ as a bum?

Seem to recall him lighting things up in the playoffs...

Perhaps it's that drink Aaron Rodgers gave me.

This shit again.

I never called him a bum. He has lot of strengths. But he shoots too much; plays well when it doesn't matter and poorly when it does; and his best moments typically come against weaker opponents.

Not a great rebounder or defender. Not the kind of guy whose play leads to wins.

He can still play a good role on a good team. Just not this one. At least not with Randle on the floor at the same time.

RJ will not be a role player on another team.
Barrett has the goods to be a helluva scorer.
Do not sell the kid short
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« Reply #26818 on: July 01, 2023, 03:35:04 PM »

So long, Obi!

Traded to Indy for two 2nd round picks.
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« Reply #26819 on: July 01, 2023, 05:12:33 PM »

Walker the rook is better than Randle. Obi will struggle to get the minutes he got here. Careful what you wish for.

Step on up Isiah Roby.

Lets get another guy who can guard threes and fours.

If this is for Dante and we do nothing else I will be disgusted.
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