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thebizneverloses

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Re: Knicks
« Reply #2085 on: November 20, 2018, 10:48:11 AM »

We were looking closely at Donovan Mitchell.

I like Frank, but I've never seen his value tied to him being a starting PG. I think he's more likely a starting SG next to a Kemba/Kyrie type at PG, or third guard.
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« Reply #2086 on: November 20, 2018, 11:18:11 AM »

We were looking closely at Donovan Mitchell.

I like Frank, but I've never seen his value tied to him being a starting PG. I think he's more likely a starting SG next to a Kemba/Kyrie type at PG, or third guard.

He looked more confident as a rookie when he knew his role as primary backup PG.  I don't think it serves him well to get moved around this much this early in his NBA career.  The Mudiay move was a hedge against Frank completely falling out.  But it backfired to make his role even cloudier.  Frank is not just a rookie/young player these first couple years - he is a foreign player, and one who never played AAU so he hasn't seen these guys for the last 6-7 years.  So i would keep things simple for him.  He has enough to adjust to as it is.  Let him play an entire season at one spot and don't mess with his confidence. Well... we just couldn't leave well enough alone last year with the TB pickup and the EB trade.   Where do you think Frank's  head went to when he saw two guys brought in to take his playing time in the span of a month, just three months into his rookie year in a new league.


Just leave Frank as the backup PG the rest of the year.  I don't care where that leaves Mudiay.  Start Burke.  Try to win games.  The losses will come on their own.
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« Reply #2087 on: November 20, 2018, 12:16:38 PM »

Clearly Dennis Smith Jr, who went with the next pick.
Knix were in need of a PG.  So I assume it was either Franc or Smith Jr, who is small, a weak defender, and has had knee issues.
Possibly Monk who is more of an SG, and is currently slumping badly.  An SG who can't shoot.

Phil has always preferred Big G's and D at the G positions (Clyde in his playing days; Fisher in LA; also Ron Harper).
Which is probably why we tabbed Franc.

Also Phil is partial to everybody moving the ball, and that not being just the PG's responsibility.  Think early 70's Knix; Jordan/Pip Bulls; Kobe Lakes.

So Phil might view the PG position differently than most.
It's become a scoring gig, with most Points able to hit the 3 and get to the rack, making kickouts, and reads as needed.

Knix needed a PG and Phil likes size and D = Franc.


From 10 to the end, the best players so far:
#13 Donovan Mitchell
#23 OG Anunoby
#19 John Collins
#14 Bam Adebayo
#27 Kyle Kuzma
#22 Jarrett Allen
#30 Josh Hart

A pretty strong 2nd round, with players who look like they could stick around as bench players for years.

If you listen to the interview Phil didn't take Frank because he sought a point guard.
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« Reply #2088 on: November 20, 2018, 12:20:48 PM »

Was just curious. Maybe an exec liked Kuzma.  Or either Collins. 
Or Giles.   Or Bam.  Or Allen.  Or......MaMo.
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« Reply #2089 on: November 20, 2018, 12:28:17 PM »

Watching rerun of Bagley and Kings

No. I don't believe Sactown will take a redraft.
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« Reply #2090 on: November 20, 2018, 12:41:26 PM »

On the advice of his lawyer 76er's Fultz won't practice or play until his shoulder is seen by a specialist next week.
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« Reply #2091 on: November 20, 2018, 12:51:48 PM »

Good win, Kings.
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« Reply #2092 on: November 20, 2018, 01:00:15 PM »

On the advice of his lawyer 76er's Fultz won't practice or play until his shoulder is seen by a specialist next week.

Isn't that the job of an Agent?  Maybe the lawyer is the agent??  Or perhaps the agent doesn't want to piss of the 76'ers under his own name.
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« Reply #2093 on: November 20, 2018, 01:04:56 PM »

I will say i have had a shoulder injury.  It's not fun.  Did Fultz ever have surgery?  Without surgery your strength will never return to what it was.
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« Reply #2094 on: November 20, 2018, 01:24:28 PM »

On the advice of his lawyer 76er's Fultz won't practice or play until his shoulder is seen by a specialist next week.

Isn't that the job of an Agent?  Maybe the lawyer is the agent??  Or perhaps the agent doesn't want to piss of the 76'ers under his own name.

You would think given all the attention/drama re Fultz the 76ers would have had a team of specialists look at the guy for every conceivable malady.

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« Reply #2095 on: November 20, 2018, 01:54:23 PM »

Asked about how his team plans to contain the Trail Blazers’ high-scoring backcourt, David Fizdale responded simply, “Prayer.”

i guess that's what we are down to now.
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« Reply #2096 on: November 20, 2018, 02:19:48 PM »

Shoulders take a long time to heal.
Easy to reinjure.

I saw a game a few days ago, and Fultz's FT shooting looked funky.
He made the first with a hitch in his shot.
the 2nd he missed badly to the left side, but alertly followed and got his own rebound.  But those FT's looked unusual.

Speaking of shoulders, didn't Franc have tape on both last game?  I knew he had one bum shoulder, which does affect shooting and maybe has him less willing to shoot.  Are both his arm-hubs dinged up?
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« Reply #2097 on: November 20, 2018, 02:22:09 PM »

I haven't seen anything that leads me to believe in Frank as our future point guard.

love his defense.  Love his size. however his playmaking skills, handle,  and shooting ability are way below what we would need long term.

as of now his future is coming off the bench to guard.  that's not a bad thing.  every good team could use a defensive  specialist. he can guard 3 positions.  so that's good. 

the only hope is he is so young he could work his ass off and improve his game . no reason he can't shoot better than he does.  36%/30% simply won't cut it.

he really has  a long way to go. 
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« Reply #2098 on: November 20, 2018, 02:26:12 PM »

We were looking closely at Donovan Mitchell.

I like Frank, but I've never seen his value tied to him being a starting PG. I think he's more likely a starting SG next to a Kemba/Kyrie type at PG, or third guard.

And whom do you project as being...AVIALABLE to us? 

There ARE NO Kemba/Kyrie types coming available in the summer of 2019. 

I'm afraid we will need to grow our own. 

https://hoopshype.com/2018/08/09/nba-free-agency-2019-point-guards/

How can I say that? 

Do we really see Kyrie leaving the Celtics? 

Or Kemba leaving the Hornets? 

Seriously?

Let alone Rubio leaving the Jazz? 

Is Eric Bledsoe significantly better than anyone we currently have on board? 

For that matter would the Nyets let us hijack unrestricted FA Spencer Dinwiddie? 

Does Terry Rozier project as significantly better than Trey Burke as a shoot first lead guard?  Two inches taller...I await Bank's snark on this.  And I really like Rozier, but an RFA.  Would not come cheap in a trade, if Ainge would even entertain dealing with his EC rival. 
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« Reply #2099 on: November 20, 2018, 02:29:55 PM »

I haven't seen anything that leads me to believe in Frank as our future point guard.

love his defense.  Love his size. however his playmaking skills, handle,  and shooting ability are way below what we would need long term.

as of now his future is coming off the bench to guard.  that's not a bad thing.  every good team could use a defensive  specialist. he can guard 3 positions.  so that's good. 

the only hope is he is so young he could work his ass off and improve his game . no reason he can't shoot better than he does.  36%/30% simply won't cut it.

he really has  a long way to go.

Indeed. 

Nothing the matter with projecting him as a sixth man who can bring D off the bench. 

His lead dawg instincts seem to be a work in project. 

Worth wondering, as in DUH, how the return of Kristaps affects the dynamics of everyone, and how assists totals might rise with the targets of passes were looking at single coverage 24/7...oh, and MAKING SHOTS. 
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