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Re: Knicks
« Reply #2415 on: November 30, 2018, 02:17:08 PM »

Fournier to Knicks is in the works?

No....not athletic enough!

Heh.

We would be stealing him
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #2416 on: November 30, 2018, 02:23:33 PM »

Kam - we need an update on your Knicks player power rankings. Do you have your old copy for comparison?


As of October 30:

Hicks
Kornet
Mudiay
Baker
Lee
Hey,ZoneUp
Thomas
Kanter
Burke
Hardaway Jr.
Vonleh
Iso Zo
Dotson
Hardwood Mitch
Knox
Frank
KP

I figured you'd re-do them! Anyhow, here's my stab at it:

Hicks
Baker
Courtly
Kornet
Subpar
Thomas
Kanter
Burke
Dotson (biggest faller)
Mudiay (biggest riser)
Vonleh
Iso Zo
Hardaway Jr.
Knox
Franc
Hardwood Mitch
KP

Knox and Franc may not have fallen far in these rankings, but neither has impressed so far this season; I'm especially underwhelmed with Knox, whose game has been rather hard on the eyes. But I'm hopeful the front office will actually be patient with both of them, at least until this summer, and hopefully beyond.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #2417 on: November 30, 2018, 02:33:10 PM »

I don't have a problem with your rankings.  THjr moved up but his play has mostly warranted it.  Frank and Knox and Mitch are super young and ranked high on potential.  Trier, Vonleh and Dotson the more consistent youth.  Burke and Kanter bringing what we thought they would. 

Mudiay had some good moments... but he is back to shooting poorly -- just 33% his last three games.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #2418 on: November 30, 2018, 02:49:55 PM »

Fournier to Knicks is in the works?

No....not athletic enough!

Heh.

We would be stealing him

Like we don't have enough shooting guards already. 

Pass. 
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« Reply #2419 on: November 30, 2018, 03:12:55 PM »

2009 NBA Draft:

1. Blake
2. Thabeet
3. Harden

4. Tyreke
5. Rubio
6. Flynn

7. Curry
8. Hill
9. Derozan

That Top 10 (Brandon Jennings went 10) was loaded with busts and MVP candidates

Had we simply drafted Derozan we could have traded him for Kawhi

We could have Steph or Kawhi....  we got shit.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #2420 on: November 30, 2018, 05:12:52 PM »

If we’re moving Frank and Memphis has interest as reported, Frank and Baker for Green works. We have the biannual exception to get Trier on a multiyear deal.

Kanter Mitch Kornet
Vonleh Lance KP
Green Mario Knox
Hardaway Dotson Lee
Mudiay Trier Burke

Green is averaging 9pts and 7rbs and shoots .385 from 3. 6’9” 225. Just what the doctor ordered. His deal expires at the end of the year.
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« Reply #2421 on: November 30, 2018, 08:02:36 PM »

I don't think there's any rush in deciding on Franc's fate.
And if you move Franc, you're pretty much committing to keeping Mud.

Seems to make sense to wait and see how this year plays out:
See if Vonleh is a potential starter or, more likely, a bench F.
See if Mario is Super or Subpar.
See how Mud does the next 60 games.
See how far along Knox is/isn't by year's end.
See a full year of Trier and Datsun.
See who we draft and what position he plays.
And of course, see how's Franc's 20 year old 2nd season plays out.
And maybe the granddaddy of them all, see how all of these cats look next to NYK cornerstone KZ later in the year.

All of that info, plus the draft and FA, can tell us what to do with Franc.
He'll likely have the same value next year.  I don't think anyone is looking to add Franc to bolster a playoff run this year.

Except for Courtly, Lance & Baker, I don't think it's time to make a move.  Okay, I'd trade Zonja too.  But it's Sell Low on the lot of them. 
So even a deal for any of them might need to wait for a month or two, when they are playing again, by which time Baker is most likely toast.
Don't forget that Lance and Court are bench vets who can help a playoff hopeful.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #2422 on: November 30, 2018, 08:13:53 PM »

Trier:

He grew up in OKC and got to know Durant as a high school star.

Paywalled article, so I only read the first 3 visible paragraphs.
https://theathletic.com/685313/2018/11/30/the-knicks-passed-on-allonzo-trier-twice-and-still-landed-a-rookie-gem-but-another-big-decision-looms-and-it-could-get-tricky/

(on NYT and WaPo, you can simply download a paywalled article and you get the whole thing, but that didn't work the way this site is set up.  For those, the paywall loads separately as an overlay, while for The Athletic, it's part of the article itself until unblocked)


More Trier:
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his first detailed explanation as to why Ostarine, which can produce effects similar to anabolic steroids, was in his system. He said it stemmed from a car crash prior to his sophomore season at Arizona, when he destroyed a new white Mustang.

“Both cars were totaled. We were both taken to the hospital. I wasn’t feeling good. I was given medication by the doctor, Vicodin….My body was in a lot of pain and I was given something to take, unknowingly. And it ended up being something...that was a banned substance,” Trier said.

Trier said he had no knowledge there was a banned substance in his body and is adamant he had no competitive advantage.

“Never did I do any steroids, never did I do anything intentionally or anything like that,” Trier said. “The headline kind of throws people off.”

Trier was suspended 19 games during his sophomore season, then tested positive again as a junior. In both instances, Trier won an appeal. He said the second positive test was simply the product of leftover Ostarine stored in his fat from the first ingestion.

“It was a fat-soluble drug. I ended up taking a drug test at 5 a.m. from the NCAA, randomly.  Anytime the NCAA showed up, I had to get tested,” Trier said. “I got tested all throughout the year. So I showed up, was dehydrated, first urine of the day, and it happened to show up.”

Nonetheless, the saga undoubtedly hurt Trier’s draft stock and he would’ve likely declared for the NBA a year earlier if not for the first suspension. Once a top-12 recruit out of high school and a McDonald’s All-American, Trier settled for a two-way contract with the Knicks

Interesting.  Says Trier might have gone into the draft a year earlier if not for the positive test and suspension.  And the negative taint probably kept him undrafted when he did come out.

I'm also wondering where Trier got a new Mustang as a college sophomore . . .
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #2423 on: December 01, 2018, 12:00:55 AM »

Conversation at the casino

Top 10 players of 21st century.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #2424 on: December 01, 2018, 12:06:44 AM »

You want to move Franc and be bold?

How about Franc & Baker for Fultz.
Money matches almost exactly.

PHI gets a young PG who can defend and handle 20 mins a night this year, as they go for the prize. 
Ending games with Franc - Butler - Simmons - Wil - Embiid
That's a killer defensive lineup.

NYK gets to Fizz Fultz.
We're in the development game.
If it pans out we'd have Fultz - Tim - Knox - KZ - Mitch as our youthful core.  Add draft pick.  Plus Trier, Vonleh, Burke, Datsun.

We don't need Fultz to be good right away.  We don't need him to shoot 3's.  A much more relaxed environment for him in NY.  Where his draft slot would be less of an issue as well.  Just another Knick reclamation project to add to the list.  Fultz is a good defender, a genuine PG, and his ceiling is much higher than Frankie goes to Philly.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #2425 on: December 01, 2018, 12:07:21 AM »

Conversation at the casino

Top 10 players of 21st century.

Hardaway, Jimmer ... all the usual suspects ...
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #2426 on: December 01, 2018, 01:28:02 AM »

Frank can work the AV for Philly
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #2427 on: December 01, 2018, 01:59:42 AM »

Is Franc a terrible assist man at present? Varying opinions.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #2428 on: December 01, 2018, 02:17:47 AM »

Statistically he’s not as bad as Mudiay and not as good as Burke, both in terms of number of dimes and in terms of assists to turnovers.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #2429 on: December 01, 2018, 02:22:19 AM »

Heh.
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