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Re: Knicks
« Reply #4140 on: February 03, 2019, 03:38:58 PM »

i'm not mad at KP.  he will be happier in Dallas with Doncic.

one hell on a 1-2.

summer will tell if NY will hold any interest for me.

clearly if Durant and Irving sign then of course.  if not then very unlikely.  Zion is a pipe dream and I gave that up years ago.
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« Reply #4141 on: February 03, 2019, 03:43:13 PM »


So, what do all who are mad at the Knicks for trading him think of this now?

KP can do one, as they say across the pond, for all I care.

Really hard to triangulate:  an incompetent FO (Baker & THJ contracts, muddying Frank's waters, or Franking Muds stamp on the team - either way too much redundancy too much), an evil brother Janis who clearly outgrew Riga, is very impressed with himself, and sees himself a player, and a young unicorn who is still very immature and like his brother very impressed with himself...

Does anyone really think the FO let the KP offer percolate and stew the required time to get the best offer?   On the one hand  threats were made about comfort and fit, but who really thinks a player coming of an ACL would really sign a QO and take on the risk?  The FO didn't have the moxie to call that bluff I guess...

Between the three of them communications must have been fraught, jumbled, and fuzzy at best.
And god knows where Dolan's hand was in all this - but it was somewhere...
A very typical Knicks CF...and in that regard nothing has changed...
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« Reply #4142 on: February 03, 2019, 03:47:03 PM »

Of course all will be forgiven if the FO actually manages to sign either KD or Kawhi plus one...

but who really believes this FO can pull that off?  Let's just hope Perry is not in a wheel chair with a huge collar around his neck when he meets with KD's handlers...
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« Reply #4143 on: February 03, 2019, 03:51:08 PM »

It’s going to be more than 10 games settling rotations and adjusting to tendencies to have a chance to play our better ball, with the new guys, and then Frank and Manny to work in. We’ll easily have stacked up 50 losses before we’re in any danger of winning one.

Potential sell offs by Bulls and Cavs are a bigger danger to our lotto chances at the moment.

Some ugly waters ahead.
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« Reply #4144 on: February 03, 2019, 04:46:32 PM »

It’s going to be more than 10 games settling rotations and adjusting to tendencies to have a chance to play our better ball, with the new guys, and then Frank and Manny to work in. We’ll easily have stacked up 50 losses before we’re in any danger of winning one.

Potential sell offs by Bulls and Cavs are a bigger danger to our lotto chances at the moment.

Some ugly waters ahead.

An interesting by-product of the new draft chances are that *more* teams are tanking harder than ever to go low.

This is resulting in a tsunami of mid-grade talent being shopped in February as a fire sale.  The FO was wise in trading early.

They need not to wait too long.  A number of teams are going to be stuck with players they would prefer to have moved.
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« Reply #4145 on: February 03, 2019, 05:06:32 PM »


So, what do all who are mad at the Knicks for trading him think of this now?

KP can do one, as they say across the pond, for all I care.

Really hard to triangulate:  an incompetent FO (Baker & THJ contracts, muddying Frank's waters, or Franking Muds stamp on the team - either way too much redundancy too much), an evil brother Janis who clearly outgrew Riga, is very impressed with himself, and sees himself a player, and a young unicorn who is still very immature and like his brother very impressed with himself...

Does anyone really think the FO let the KP offer percolate and stew the required time to get the best offer?   On the one hand  threats were made about comfort and fit, but who really thinks a player coming of an ACL would really sign a QO and take on the risk?  The FO didn't have the moxie to call that bluff I guess...

Between the three of them communications must have been fraught, jumbled, and fuzzy at best.
And god knows where Dolan's hand was in all this - but it was somewhere...
A very typical Knicks CF...and in that regard nothing has changed...

From what I read and hear, the Knicks had been looking at offers for KP before the meeting so they had already assessed what they could get. Nets, and I forget what other teams made offers, and we offered him to N.O. who said nope.

Dallas' one was probably the best for what they thought they should do if they traded him. When he approached them with the meeting and told them what's up they must have thought if this comes out in the media (i.e. AD's situation) then his value would be even less, so they took the offer.

Had they sat on it or shopped him elsewhere, it might have led to even worse offers, especially if the story came out...which it did anyway that morning, about the meeting between he and the FO. His value could  have diminished had it been clear to other teams he wanted out.

Who knows, but I can see why they did it when they did rather than wait. That meeting likely clarified things between KP and the FO so they then moved immediately on the best offer they felt they had received, and ironically just finalized the night before with Dallas in town.
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« Reply #4146 on: February 03, 2019, 05:08:25 PM »

Of course all will be forgiven if the FO actually manages to sign either KD or Kawhi plus one...

but who really believes this FO can pull that off?  Let's just hope Perry is not in a wheel chair with a huge collar around his neck when he meets with KD's handlers...

We haven't heard Kawhi at all as an option for us though have we? Possible, but that depends on a lot of things we don't know yet.

Seems most likely Kyrie and KD together, with possibly AD joining as well depending on what happens with the lotto and the Knicks thinking.
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« Reply #4147 on: February 03, 2019, 05:26:33 PM »

No Prez, Kawhi has not been mentioned, but he can't be ignored or dismissed.  Max plus one is max plus one, and due diligence is due diligence.

But do you really trust "the inside dope" that KD is really interested in NYC?  It's along time until July...

Also Kyrie - he of the flat worlders - seems pretty skittery about how he feels on any given day...say the Celts make a deep run, then maybe Kyrie will decide - hey the earth is round and the navel is Beantown...

just saying - who knows what lurks in the hearts of men.....
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« Reply #4148 on: February 03, 2019, 05:30:28 PM »


So, what do all who are mad at the Knicks for trading him think of this now?

KP can do one, as they say across the pond, for all I care.

Really hard to triangulate:  an incompetent FO (Baker & THJ contracts, muddying Frank's waters, or Franking Muds stamp on the team - either way too much redundancy too much), an evil brother Janis who clearly outgrew Riga, is very impressed with himself, and sees himself a player, and a young unicorn who is still very immature and like his brother very impressed with himself...

Does anyone really think the FO let the KP offer percolate and stew the required time to get the best offer?   On the one hand  threats were made about comfort and fit, but who really thinks a player coming of an ACL would really sign a QO and take on the risk?  The FO didn't have the moxie to call that bluff I guess...

Between the three of them communications must have been fraught, jumbled, and fuzzy at best.
And god knows where Dolan's hand was in all this - but it was somewhere...
A very typical Knicks CF...and in that regard nothing has changed...

From what I read and hear, the Knicks had been looking at offers for KP before the meeting so they had already assessed what they could get. Nets, and I forget what other teams made offers, and we offered him to N.O. who said nope.

Dallas' one was probably the best for what they thought they should do if they traded him. When he approached them with the meeting and told them what's up they must have thought if this comes out in the media (i.e. AD's situation) then his value would be even less, so they took the offer.

Had they sat on it or shopped him elsewhere, it might have led to even worse offers, especially if the story came out...which it did anyway that morning, about the meeting between he and the FO. His value could  have diminished had it been clear to other teams he wanted out.

Who knows, but I can see why they did it when they did rather than wait.

The idea that the FO is incompetent is one of the assumptions preventing many Knicks fans from understanding the dynamics of this trade and its significance.

The FO has probably had a number of potential Porzingis buyers in their back pocket since this past summer. They were also plenty aware of and had a belly full of the Porzingis brothers complaints and -cough- recommendations.  THE FO didn't particularly need any more excuse to cut this idiot out.

The first phone call they probably made may have been to New Orleans to see if they could acquire AD and by all reports NO said, "No thanks."  What went unreported is what else NO might have said.

Because NO might have added, "Come back to us with a couple of draft picks and we can get serious."

And, as they say, "the plot thickens".

In the meantime, AD is being roasted by pundits and professionals for having been had [by LA and their minions].

AND..., the Lakers are melting down in turmoil as we post.  None of that can be appetizing to AD on second and third thought.

So forget the mega-ocean of cash the Knicks have to spend this summer. In the coming few days the Knicks can offer NO a couple of unprotected first round picks for AD, and expiring contract or two, and maybe a young player or two.  And that offer for AD doesn't even make a dent in the remaining flexibility to could a blue chip FA or two.

And if not AD, how about Gasol? or...

Good time to be a Knicks fan.
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« Reply #4149 on: February 03, 2019, 05:31:53 PM »

No Prez, Kawhi has not been mentioned, but he can't be ignored or dismissed.  Max plus one is max plus one, and due diligence is due diligence.

But do you really trust "the inside dope" that KD is really interested in NYC?  It's along time until July...

Also Kyrie - he of the flat worlders - seems pretty skittery about how he feels on any given day...say the Celts make a deep run, then maybe Kyrie will decide - hey the earth is round and the navel is Beantown...

just saying - who knows what lurks in the hearts of men.....

Kyrie ain't coming.
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« Reply #4150 on: February 03, 2019, 05:51:09 PM »

AD has said he is playing one year then going to LA. Knicks could have tried to get him, with those parameters.  As Celtics now can.

Can Celtics take AD for 2020 then do a sign and trade,netting assets from Lakers?
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« Reply #4151 on: February 03, 2019, 05:52:27 PM »

Good time to be a Knicks fan.

Like saying, Good time to have a lobotomy ...
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« Reply #4152 on: February 03, 2019, 06:01:11 PM »

AD has said he is playing one year then going to LA. Knicks could have tried to get him, with those parameters.  As Celtics now can.

Can Celtics take AD for 2020 then do a sign and trade,netting assets from Lakers?

Well, what's so special about the Celtics?  Any team could play that game. Correct?  The real question is, what could you get from a Lakers team that will have an aging, evermore desperate Lebron trying to fix the odds?  Most of their players who aren't geriatric are rather pedestrian talent-wise.  Boston, today has better players.

More picks? AD ain't coming for free. Is there a net gain?

Sounds dubious.

If Boston or NY trades for AD - they plan on locking him up not risking one and done.

NY is a nice fit. 
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« Reply #4153 on: February 03, 2019, 06:03:04 PM »

Good time to be a Knicks fan.

Like saying, Good time to have a lobotomy ...

The Porzingis trade will go down as one of NY's finest.  The first in a domino effect.

 
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« Reply #4154 on: February 03, 2019, 06:03:38 PM »

Wonder if KZ wanted the meeting and wanted out because he heard the Knix were shopping him. 

Even if KZ wanted out, that doesn't absolve PerryMills.
The other issue is why did KZ want out?
Why wouldn't he want to play in NYC?
The roster/team/management turnover and disarray certainly didn't help.  Neither did Phil's interest in trading him.  Firing Longstaff, the coach who worked closely with KZ.  The way Melo was treated.  Etc.

Btw, last 2 Knick big FA signings -- Tim Jr & Noah ...
Further, the way Melo was treated (and Noah and Kanter) and KZ jettisoned can't endear the Knix to agents and players.  I assume the perception is that the team is still a dumpster fire and unstable.
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