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Total Members Voted: 3

Voting closed: June 13, 2022, 11:38:11 PM

[Kam]

Kam - we need an update on your Knicks player power rankings. Do you have your old copy for comparison?

As of October 30:

Hicks
Kornet
Mudiay
Baker
Lee
Hey,ZoneUp
Thomas
Kanter
Burke
Hardaway Jr.
Vonleh
Iso Zo
Dotson
Hardwood Mitch
Knox
Frank
KP

I figured you'd re-do them! Anyhow, here's my stab at it:

Hicks
Baker
Courtly
Kornet
Subpar
Thomas
Kanter
Burke
Dotson (biggest faller)
Mudiay (biggest riser)
Vonleh
Iso Zo
Hardaway Jr.
Knox
Franc
Hardwood Mitch
KP

Knox and Franc may not have fallen far in these rankings, but neither has impressed so far this season; I'm especially underwhelmed with Knox, whose game has been rather hard on the eyes. But I'm hopeful the front office will actually be patient with both of them, at least until this summer, and hopefully beyond.

2 months later... need new rankings! (previous rank)


15 Enes Kanter          (11)
14 Isiah Hicks            (17)
13 Mario Hezonja       (13)
12 Lance Thomas       (12)
11 Wes Matthews
10 Damyean Dotson    (9)
9. Luke Kornet            (14)
8. Emmanuel Mudiay  ( 8 )
7. DeAndre Jordan
6. Noah Vonleh          (7)
5. Frank Ntilikina       (3)
4. Alonzo Trier           (6)
3. Mitchell Robinson   (2)
2. Dennis Smith Jr.
1. Kevin Knox            (4)


Knox's December performance elevates him past the injured Robinson/Ntilikina tandem. 
Kornet jumps on the strength of his shot finally falling, along with Kanters intransigence and traded players vacant spots.

[Kam]

NYK Dennis Smith Jr
ATL John Collins
CHA Miles Bridges
OKC Hamidou Diallo

[Kam]

Tim Hardaway Jr:   2
Trey Burke:           1
Emmanuel Mudiay: 1
Dennis Smith Jr.:    1


*Luke Kornet almost made this list too!   But he only had 23pts.

[thebizneverloses]

Kam - we need an update on your Knicks player power rankings. Do you have your old copy for comparison?

As of October 30:

Hicks
Kornet
Mudiay
Baker
Lee
Hey,ZoneUp
Thomas
Kanter
Burke
Hardaway Jr.
Vonleh
Iso Zo
Dotson
Hardwood Mitch
Knox
Frank
KP

I figured you'd re-do them! Anyhow, here's my stab at it:

Hicks
Baker
Courtly
Kornet
Subpar
Thomas
Kanter
Burke
Dotson (biggest faller)
Mudiay (biggest riser)
Vonleh
Iso Zo
Hardaway Jr.
Knox
Franc
Hardwood Mitch
KP

Knox and Franc may not have fallen far in these rankings, but neither has impressed so far this season; I'm especially underwhelmed with Knox, whose game has been rather hard on the eyes. But I'm hopeful the front office will actually be patient with both of them, at least until this summer, and hopefully beyond.

2 months later... need new rankings! (previous rank)


15 Enes Kanter          (11)
14 Isiah Hicks            (17)
13 Mario Hezonja       (13)
12 Lance Thomas       (12)
11 Wes Matthews
10 Damyean Dotson    (9)
9. Luke Kornet            (14)
8. Emmanuel Mudiay  ( 8 )
7. DeAndre Jordan
6. Noah Vonleh          (7)
5. Frank Ntilikina       (3)
4. Alonzo Trier           (6)
3. Mitchell Robinson   (2)
2. Dennis Smith Jr.
1. Kevin Knox            (4)


Knox's December performance elevates him past the injured Robinson/Ntilikina tandem. 
Kornet jumps on the strength of his shot finally falling, along with Kanters intransigence and traded players vacant spots.

I'd move DeAndre down to 10th, and Dot ahead of Kornet given the contract situations. And Frank is still ahead of IsoZo. If we had been smart enough to add a team option for Vonleh he would have been top 3.

[Kam]

Kam - we need an update on your Knicks player power rankings. Do you have your old copy for comparison?

As of October 30:

Hicks
Kornet
Mudiay
Baker
Lee
Hey,ZoneUp
Thomas
Kanter
Burke
Hardaway Jr.
Vonleh
Iso Zo
Dotson
Hardwood Mitch
Knox
Frank
KP

I figured you'd re-do them! Anyhow, here's my stab at it:

Hicks
Baker
Courtly
Kornet
Subpar
Thomas
Kanter
Burke
Dotson (biggest faller)
Mudiay (biggest riser)
Vonleh
Iso Zo
Hardaway Jr.
Knox
Franc
Hardwood Mitch
KP

Knox and Franc may not have fallen far in these rankings, but neither has impressed so far this season; I'm especially underwhelmed with Knox, whose game has been rather hard on the eyes. But I'm hopeful the front office will actually be patient with both of them, at least until this summer, and hopefully beyond.

2 months later... need new rankings! (previous rank)


15 Enes Kanter          (11)
14 Isiah Hicks            (17)
13 Mario Hezonja       (13)
12 Lance Thomas       (12)
11 Wes Matthews
10 Damyean Dotson    (9)
9. Luke Kornet            (14)
8. Emmanuel Mudiay  ( 8 )
7. DeAndre Jordan
6. Noah Vonleh          (7)
5. Frank Ntilikina       (3)
4. Alonzo Trier           (6)
3. Mitchell Robinson   (2)
2. Dennis Smith Jr.
1. Kevin Knox            (4)


Knox's December performance elevates him past the injured Robinson/Ntilikina tandem. 
Kornet jumps on the strength of his shot finally falling, along with Kanters intransigence and traded players vacant spots.

I'd move DeAndre down to 10th, and Dot ahead of Kornet given the contract situations. And Frank is still ahead of IsoZo. If we had been smart enough to add a team option for Vonleh he would have been top 3.

Let's evaluate  again after the deadline.  I'm thinking Jordan is worth keeping as a mentor the rest of the season,  and thus his ranking.    Frank's production still doesn't deter his believers. But it dings him here.

[Kam]

Drops 19 and 7 on the Knicks with 2 steals and 2 assists and gets traded to the Lakers.

[bodiddley]

Never mind Bullock, Knix lost again.

Actually, a pretty weak move by DET.
Bullock has been a solid starter for them.  38% on 3's, reasonable D.
They ditched him and his puny ending $2.5M to get under the lux tax.

Bull should have been a guy to re-sign at $5M or $6M or so.  So a team lacking depth excises a useful player. ... Now they have to insert StanJohn or Kennard at starting SF.  And neither look ready.  I guess that's DET's white flag.  But it's just a sad commentary on where DET is right now.

[bodiddley]

Haven't seen the last 4 games or so.  Slingbox on the fritz.
What's going on with Von Leh & Knox?
Both seem to be slumping heavily.

So I guess the verdict is in on whether Tim Jr's contract was a bad one or not.  At one point I think I was trying to trade Tim for expiring Wes straight up ...   Hope we don't do a buyout.  Wes could be a good transitional vet at a reasonable price next year.  Yeah, he'd likely prefer a playoff team.  But he could start for NYK.  And if Durnat or a top rook comes ...

As for Vonleh, a lot of players took one year deals since money was tight last Summer, looking to cash in this year when many teams would have cap space and spending dollars.  So I don't think a Team Option was an option.  Nets got one on Napier for very cheap, but most players who took one year deals didn't agree to that.

[Kam]

Haven't seen the last 4 games or so.  Slingbox on the fritz.
What's going on with Von Leh & Knox?
Both seem to be slumping heavily.

Knox is going to have ups and downs.  He's hit the rookie wall.  He might have dead legs for a while.

Vonleh has started looking for his offense early.. there was a game not long ago he took the first 5 or 6 shots of the game. And he is attempting more threes.  It's like hig agent told him he should do more stretch-4 things.  He shouuldn't do that.  Or maybe he should. But his production isn't there yet to be that guy.

[bodiddley]

The game where he took the first 6 shots, he scored something like 10 of the Knix first 12 points.  He was hitting 3's earlier in the year.  But these days his boxscores are rather limp across the board.  A few weeks back VOnleh was regularly getting in foul trouble.  But not lately it seems.

So maybe Vonleh is hogging Knox's 1Q shots, and Knox has been fairly bad other quarters all year (?)

I know it's early days, but how has SMith Jr. looked as a Knick so far?

[Kam]

I know it's early days, but how has SMith Jr. looked as a Knick so far?

Throwing lobs to DJ and Mitch.  Attack the rim "with gusto".   

[Kam]

Tobias Harris, Boban Marjonovic, and Mike Scott to 76ers for Wislon Chandler, Larry Shamet, 2 first round picks, and 2 second round picks

[bodiddley]

Thx.
That's promising.

And DeAtheG can be the Mitch mentor Noah could have been.

[bodiddley]

Kam turning inot the Woj of the forum ...

Wil breaks down easily.
Gets reunited with Gallo -- the Injury Brothers.

Shamet can shoot, but is chumpy on D.
A shame to lose Chicken Muscala, as he's a pretty useful gritty bench guy.

But wow.  Now PHI has 4 near all-stars starting.
Too bad Fultz is faulty
They also have the largest C tandem.
But what about their bench?

Kind of a lot to give up for Tobias who needs to be re-signed.  He's good, but not great, but he'll ask for a king's ransom.

The East is fairly wide open this year.  So Elton going for it.
See how the pieces fit, and they just really need to re-sign one of Butler/Tobias ...

Clips can sign 1 max FA for $37M.  And they have a better base of talent/role players than Los Nix.  Gallo, Shai, Pa Bev, Lou W, Gortat, Montrezl, A Very.  Notably a bunch of defenders and hustlers that a star would look good surrounded by.

The Clippers now have a clear path to a max contract this summer with Tobias Harris shipped to Philadelphia. Removing the Harris hold now has Los Angeles with $37M in room. The team could see room increase to $49M if Avery Bradley is waived in the offseason and up $70.7M if they find a team to take back the $22.6M contract of Danilo Gallinari this summer.

[semperknick]

"Marc Stein reported that Porzingis was so fed up with the New York Knicks that he was willing to spend the rest of his rehab process in Spain (via New York Times):

According to Stein, his meeting with the Knicks was originally scheduled for earlier in January. But he and older brother Jānis Porzingis delayed it and then sat with the front office for “less than five minutes” before they requested an official trade."

The older brother starting to look more and more like the main actor in the whole process.  Quite telling that Carlisle felt the need to acknowledge him so specifically in the press conference. 

I think  - for what it is worth - that the NY hype just got to their heads, a little bit.  Thet started feeling bigger than they really are.  The indicators were all there - I keep thinking about the "KP Recovery" documentary on youtube which was actually quite well done, and they stopped it after two episodes, I think - probably just when it would have been natural to start talking about how hyped he was to be getting closer to being back on the court for his beloved franchise...awkward. 

AD can pull this kind of crap while under contract for another 18 months - and only just about, because he has the game to carry it. 

KP ain't AD. The way I see it, he chose to make himself part of the problem, rather than part of the solution.  Wish him well, maybe he will smarten up and become great - maybe not.  Maybe he will blow another tendon, or slip and fall at home like John Wall did.  Fuck knows.  He's Cuban's problem now.  We move on.

Pipe dream scenario:  Kyrie, Frank, KD, Knox and DeAndre.  This is top 4 in the East for years to come - Boston, Philly, Milwaukee and NYK.  The way it fucking should be.