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Total Members Voted: 3

Voting closed: June 13, 2022, 11:38:11 PM

[carlos123]

Also would not discount Jimmer being in a deal.

Trade proposal, just to make Chico happy ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...  ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...  ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...  ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...  ... ... ... ... ... 

... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...  ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...  ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...  ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...  ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...

JIMMER FOR OUR #1

[kiidcarter8]

Will never again be a Knick.

[lesterluv]

Could Fiz do it?  I'd be surprised but content.

I'd be very surprised. No reason to wait and find out. Hire Joerger this very evening would be the move.

[facilitatorn]

Will never again be a Knick.

 A healthy sign that management is improving.

He might be able to get a spot on the Washington Generals if he wants to stay in the US.

[bodiddley]

I seem to be the only one who liked how Fizz managed minutes and checked out what everybody could do, while managing the tank quite effectively.  Sure it means that he'll have to start over implementing a system on both ends and setting up roles and rotations.  But he'll be doing it with the addition of a Top 5 draftee, and likely at least one relatively high-profile FA.  Plus with the benefit of knowing what Mitch and Mud, Dot and Trier, Kornet and Vonleh are capable of.

I thought it was a productive year, except for the KZ fiasco.
Unless we get Zion or two top-level FA's -- both long-shots -- we'll still be a young developing team, with zero reason to change coaches.

[bodiddley]

On a per minute (or per 36, if you prefer) basis, Uber finished 2nd in deflections (3.9 per 36 mins).  Behind Noel. 

Per game, Uber tied with Jimmy Butler for 9th, just slightly behind Dray, Kawhi, Westbrook . . .

        Deflections            Per Game
1.   Paul George    OKC   3.8
2.   James Harden HOU   3.6
3.   Chris Paul       HOU   3.3
4.   Dray Green     GSW   3.2
4.   Kawhi Leonard TOR   3.2
4.   Thad Young     IND   3.2
7.   Jrue Holiday    NOP   3.1
7.   Russ Westbrook OKC   3.1
9.   Jimmy Butler    PHI   3.0
9.   Kelly Oubre Jr.  PHX   3.0

The two surprises in the Top 10 would be Uber and Harden.
Uber he only young guy in there.  Harden's rank probably largely reflects how many times opponents attacked him.  Think I saw that he was posted up more than any other player.  But he's strong and solid at individual post defense.  And I did see him poke the ball away from bigger guys a fair amount.

[bodiddley]

Here's a stat I like:

     Contested Threes     Per Game
1.   Dray Green     GSW   4.8
1.   Pascal Siakam TOR   4.8
3.   Jrue Holiday    NOP   4.5
4.   Andrew Wiggins MIN   4.4
4.   Thad Young      IND   4.4
6.   Marcus Smart   BOS   4.3
6.   Derrick White   SAS   4.3
8.   John Collins      ATL   4.2
8.   Paul George     OKC   4.2
8.   Jayson Tatum   BOS   4.2

Mostly F's, with Jrue, Smart and White in there as well.  Nice to see young Collins up there.
On a per36 basis, Mitch Rob ties for 4th with Smart and Bagley.
Mitch did some mighty fine long-armed perimeter close-outs.
Might have led the league in blocking 3 point attempts.

[thebizneverloses]

Will never again be a Knick.

 A healthy sign that management is improving.

He might be able to get a spot on the Washington Generals if he wants to stay in the US.

My hats off to you, Fac, for your consistent hilarity when dealing with Kid's Jimmer fantasies.

[thebizneverloses]

Here's a stat I like:

     Contested Threes     Per Game
1.   Dray Green     GSW   4.8
1.   Pascal Siakam TOR   4.8
3.   Jrue Holiday    NOP   4.5
4.   Andrew Wiggins MIN   4.4
4.   Thad Young      IND   4.4
6.   Marcus Smart   BOS   4.3
6.   Derrick White   SAS   4.3
8.   John Collins      ATL   4.2
8.   Paul George     OKC   4.2
8.   Jayson Tatum   BOS   4.2

Mostly F's, with Jrue, Smart and White in there as well.  Nice to see young Collins up there.
On a per36 basis, Mitch Rob ties for 4th with Smart and Bagley.
Mitch did some mighty fine long-armed perimeter close-outs.
Might have led the league in blocking 3 point attempts.

Interesting that, save for Wiggins and Collins and Tatum, everyone of these players is known a great, not good, defender.

[thebizneverloses]

If I get, I don't know, at least two other people to play (DM me) I'll keep score for this playoff points-only pool:



$7: Giannis, Curry, KD

$6: Harden, Kawhi, Embiid, PG13

$5: Klay, Lillard, Jokic, Kyrie, Butler

$4: Mitchell, Tobias, Middleton, J Murray, Westbrook, McConnell

$3: Bojan, B Simmons, Lowry, Bledsoe, CP3, Siakam, Draymond

$2: Derozan, Aldridge, D’Angelo, Capela, Sweet Lou, JJ Redick, Adams, Tatum

$1: Everyone else

 

$25 to spend on six players. After each round you can replace that player with a different one however the cost of a player goes up by $1 every time his team wins a round (ie, if the Rockets lose in the first round and the Sixers win, you can replace Harden with Embiid). You also substitute their total points as well (so you don’t keep the points of the guys you draft initially, only of those who you have in the end).

[kiidcarter8]

Moving pool to NBA forum

Points pool - 2 points per series win + 1 bonus point for correct games - pick as you go

Bracket pool - 1 point for each win.  Must fill out bracket entirely before tip of Game 1

[kiidcarter8]

On a per minute (or per 36, if you prefer) basis, Uber finished 2nd in deflections (3.9 per 36 mins).  Behind Noel. 

Per game, Uber tied with Jimmy Butler for 9th, just slightly behind Dray, Kawhi, Westbrook . . .

        Deflections            Per Game
1.   Paul George    OKC   3.8
2.   James Harden HOU   3.6
3.   Chris Paul       HOU   3.3
4.   Dray Green     GSW   3.2
4.   Kawhi Leonard TOR   3.2
4.   Thad Young     IND   3.2
7.   Jrue Holiday    NOP   3.1
7.   Russ Westbrook OKC   3.1
9.   Jimmy Butler    PHI   3.0
9.   Kelly Oubre Jr.  PHX   3.0

The two surprises in the Top 10 would be Uber and Harden.
Uber he only young guy in there.  Harden's rank probably largely reflects how many times opponents attacked him.  Think I saw that he was posted up more than any other player.  But he's strong and solid at individual post defense.  And I did see him poke the ball away from bigger guys a fair amount.

Thanks.  I love the deflection stat.  Was charting them back in the early 80s.

[kiidcarter8]

Harden, along with Oubre, is also a bit of a gamble defender.

Do they describe what constitutes a deflection?

[lesterluv]

I seem to be the only one who liked how Fizz managed minutes and checked out what everybody could do, while managing the tank quite effectively.  Sure it means that he'll have to start over implementing a system on both ends and setting up roles and rotations.  But he'll be doing it with the addition of a Top 5 draftee, and likely at least one relatively high-profile FA.  Plus with the benefit of knowing what Mitch and Mud, Dot and Trier, Kornet and Vonleh are capable of.

I thought it was a productive year, except for the KZ fiasco.
Unless we get Zion or two top-level FA's -- both long-shots -- we'll still be a young developing team, with zero reason to change coaches.

Well I'm glad you enjoyed it. To me, a complete waste with absolutely nothing gained that couldn't have been done way better by someone else. 100 reasons to change coaches. Implemented zero system or culture. Offensively, defensively, nothing whatsoever to see.Totally unlike what successful coaches like Stevens or Atkinson did in ground up situations. Was great article recently on Spurs young player development, best in the league, polar opposite to Fakewhale's approach. Random buckets of minutes amidst summer leaguers do not improve players ability to learn winning ball and any improvement over what could have been expected was negligible. Random crunch time assignments to fresh-off the bus g-leaguers not a positive. You start practicing how to handle game situations on day 1. Fiz's approach was unbelievably corrosive to fandom, despite a Garden still full nightly with package tourists. I can't count on two hands the number of longtime committed fan friends I have who totally checked out in disgust; really, the games were unwatchable. And going a different way, the tank could still have easily been managed — with the new rules, another handful of big chunk of wins wouldn't have meant a sig difference in the moonshot. We win 10 more games? Our chances of Zion drop from 14 to 12.5 percent, lol, and of a top-3 from 40 to 37 percent. And whereever you end up — with Zion not the least bit likely — you gotta stick the pick. One of the worst Knick coaching jobs I've ever seen, and I've been through a lot of bad ones.

[kiidcarter8]

".......except for the KZ fiasco"

Too fucking funny.

A catastrophe is what it was.  Go back and read the posts from last fall.