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« Reply #5670 on: May 11, 2019, 10:45:03 PM »

The Vogel hire was a professional adult decision... something a "well-run franchise" would do.

The addition of Kidd is gonzo!  The mark of an organization with its head firmly up its asshat.

Let us not forget that Jkidd  once tried to get his bosses job (Brooklyns former GM) and that failed power grab ended with him as Coach remember being traded to Milwaukee for a couple of 2nd rounders.

Why does JKidd need to be the Prominent Assistant?  Why is he there at all if not as eventual Coach/spy.

This is wrong wrong wrong.

But i don't care.

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Re: Knicks
« Reply #5671 on: May 11, 2019, 10:53:27 PM »

Well, that's good.

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Kidd can coach.  Vogel is OK with it.  Play on.
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« Reply #5672 on: May 11, 2019, 10:56:41 PM »

Well, that's good.

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Kidd can coach.  Vogel is OK with it.  Play on.

Vogel was ok with it because the Lakers made that a part of the Job.  Ty Lue didn't accept that BS.   
How long before Kidd backstabs Vogel?  Kidd wants to be the Head Coach of the Lakers. 
You don't invite a wolf into the henhouse.
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« Reply #5673 on: May 12, 2019, 12:02:26 AM »

Kam(s)ter, it’s a Fox 🦊

Ur welcome 😎
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #5674 on: May 12, 2019, 12:08:08 AM »

Well, that's good.

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Kidd can coach.  Vogel is OK with it.  Play on.

Vogel was ok with it because the Lakers made that a part of the Job.  Ty Lue didn't accept that BS.   
How long before Kidd backstabs Vogel?  Kidd wants to be the Head Coach of the Lakers. 
You don't invite a wolf into the henhouse.

I think they will do just fine next year.
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« Reply #5675 on: May 12, 2019, 04:37:37 AM »

You also thought the Rockets would beat the Warriors.
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« Reply #5676 on: May 12, 2019, 09:14:39 AM »

I don't mind having ambitious or high-powered assistants.
Seems the theory is that Kidd can work with Lonzo who could be the next Kidd.  Remember Kidd wasn't much of a shooter for most of his career.  Kidd a great mentor for Ball.  Ball could be a key for LAL.

Sure it has vibes of Lue as Blatt's assistant, and LeBJ gravitating towards Lue (and blowing off Blatt).  If Kidd is the better head coach, he can slot in later.  But I like when D'antmanbee gave Bzdelik great sway over the Rockets D.  D isn't what Dant does, so he outsourced it (or insourced it I guess).

I like Vogel, preaches D, is well-prepared -- my kind of coach.
One EsPN article said that the Vogel hire has the fingerprints of Rambo and Phil on it, as they almost offered Vogel the Knick job before going with Hornacek.  I didn't know that (or forgot it).

There's also a new rumor that Kyrie is considering LAL and to reteam with LBJ.  Kind of crazy, but who thought LBJ would leave CLE and then return (uh, and leave again)?  Or that Kyrie would bail on LBJ and guaranteed trips to the Finals in the weak East?  Or that Kawhi would demand a trade out of always-well-run SAS?
Strange things happening every off-season ...

I have one of Kyrie/Durant going to BKY (maybe both!).
But that's just based on a  hunch, and the market dynamics, and the rosters.  I'd say there's a 75% chance Kyrie leaves BOS; while Durant might be more 50/50.  But who knows what young rich egomaniacs might do. 
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« Reply #5677 on: May 12, 2019, 02:44:20 PM »

Neither goes to BK.

One or both to NY.

Other to Golden State or Bulls or Clippers.
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« Reply #5678 on: May 12, 2019, 02:45:11 PM »

You also thought the Rockets would beat the Warriors.

Might...
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Market dynamics
« Reply #5679 on: May 12, 2019, 02:51:27 PM »

There is no way you go to the #2 Franchise in the #1 Market if the #1 Franchise is available.
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« Reply #5680 on: May 12, 2019, 03:27:58 PM »

KP got his ass beat in a fight in his hood back in Europa.

https://nypost.com/2019/05/12/video-surfaces-of-bloody-kristaps-porzingis-after-latvia-fight/


He dressed like a 12-year old wannabe gangster with his chains and white T.

Remember his corn-rows phase?

You aint about that life KP
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« Reply #5681 on: May 12, 2019, 03:37:24 PM »

very mobile, the knee looks good...
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« Reply #5682 on: May 12, 2019, 03:41:24 PM »

There is no way you go to the #2 Franchise in the #1 Market if the #1 Franchise is available.

Yeah, well wait til Kawhi signs with the Clippers.
(actually I think/hope he'll stay with TOR)

The way I see it:
1) BKY has a better team with significant role players ready to play with a star or two.  LaVert, Dinwiddie, Jarrett Allen, DMC, Kurucs, RHJ, JoeHarris.  Maybe Ed Davis and possibly Tangelo.
They have a 20+ game head start on NYK.  They got a taste of the playoffs.  They have a terrific young coach.
Who is the Knix best player next year?
Maybe the incoming rook ...
Jr. Smith, Mud, Mitch, Knox, maybe Vonleh, possibly DeAndre.
That's a lot more unproven talent than BKY.
Nets players are ready for a leap; Knix aren't.
And I think it will dissuade Durnat, because you don't know who the Knix would bring in and who would go to make a competitive team.  Figure Mitch stays, and everyone else potentially gone.

2) Knix always have drama and problems and distractions.  Always.  You get dumb stuff like Larry Brown holding roadside press conferences.  Or rape trials.  Guys getting sent away from the team.  I can't believe the way Melo, and KZ and Noah were treated goes unnoticed.  Knix also churn through coaches and have a 2nd year coach returning. 

3) The pressure and press attention is less in BKY.   The expectations lower.  Durant and Kyrie both are good with the press.  And would invite more of the Knick paranoid style of media dealings.  With NYK you always get measured by the long-ago championship teams or the 90's Riley/JVG teams.  In BKY, if you win or are very competitive there you can create a new legacy, not merely try to match what has been done before.  NYK sets you up for failure, BKY is almost a blank slate, with the NJ days in the past.  Succeed in BKY and you make a huge splash.

Summary: Knix offer too much uncertainty, unreadiness and potential for failure.  BKY lets you breathe and is a more ready-made gig.
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Re: Market dynamics
« Reply #5683 on: May 12, 2019, 03:44:45 PM »

There is no way you go to the #2 Franchise in the #1 Market if the #1 Franchise is available.

Yeah, well wait til Kawhi signs with the Clippers.

Lakers (with LBJ) are unavailable to Kawhi if he wants HIS team.

KD can be the savior/hero of the Nets or the Knicks.

When his legacy is written he doesn't want to be the NETS guy.

The NETS traded for JKidd after his welcome was worn out in PHX.

They aint getting high profile names in free agency.

There is no charisma that comes with being the #1 guy on the NETS.

Knicks brand  > Nets brand no matter how many seasons.

Just like Yankees brand > Mets brand.

Its a Knicks town.
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Re: Market dynamics
« Reply #5684 on: May 12, 2019, 03:51:59 PM »


Summary: Knix offer too much uncertainty, unreadiness and potential for failure.  BKY lets you breathe and is a more ready-made gig.

None of this matters.   Guys say to themselves.... if i go there, i'll make that team great.


They don't examine the trees - they think about how they can own the entire forest.


Owning the Knicks forest is better.
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