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Total Members Voted: 11

Voting closed: February 15, 2022, 10:51:36 AM

[josh]

I'm sorry I hurt you so deeply Larry that you felt compelled to drag up all the hurt from over the years.

I hope you find an easing of your pain.   

But as others have suggested perhaps you should deal with your pain on your own time and not in a public forum.

"Others" is plural.  Aside from one troll,  I see no "others" suggesting anything but that you all let it go.  Seriously,  try chess.

Bart I saw you, OC, whiskey, Uno and kid all post variations of that theme, They were either critical in some manner or wanted an end to the back and forth.

And I said "fine" I had no interest in relitigating Larry's lies from 9 months ago

You saw them say to drop the discussion.

You saw only Utley and Kid provide any agreement with what you were saying on the Kaep issue. And only Utley agreed with your recommendations for Larry.

And you chose to "relitigate" regardless of your claims of having no such interest, because you can never back down.

Not like you're the only one here with that propensity, of course. Nor is it unique to this forum.

Utley and Kid agree with you, Banks.

[bankshot1]

I'm sorry I hurt you so deeply Larry that you felt compelled to drag up all the hurt from over the years.

I hope you find an easing of your pain.   

But as others have suggested perhaps you should deal with your pain on your own time and not in a public forum.

"Others" is plural.  Aside from one troll,  I see no "others" suggesting anything but that you all let it go.  Seriously,  try chess.

Bart I saw you, OC, whiskey, Uno and kid all post variations of that theme, They were either critical in some manner or wanted an end to the back and forth.

And I said "fine" I had no interest in relitigating Larry's lies from 9 months ago

You saw them say to drop the discussion.

You saw only Utley and Kid provide any agreement with what you were saying on the Kaep issue. And only Utley agreed with your recommendations for Larry.

And you chose to "relitigate" regardless of your claims of having no such interest, because you can never back down.

Not like you're the only one here with that propensity, of course. Nor is it unique to this forum.

Utley and Kid agree with you, Banks.

Josh-I'm glad you covered the "others" issue for Bart.

I chose to answer Larry's lies, which he reintroduced without any prompting from me.

I had no real interest in that dead subject.

I'm not sure why Larry did, other than to avoid discussing more relevant and topical issues.

Perhaps you can take that up with him.

But it seems he wants to relitigate Michael Sam, a debate he lost years ago.

[josh]

But it seems he wants to relitigate Michael Sam, a debate he lost years ago.

And that would be an example of what I mean by your belief in internet victories.

I get that you think you won that argument (and not debate), Banks, but you didn't.

Neither did he.

You each presented your opinions and the reasons you had them. There was no victory.

We do, occasionally, see actual victories here. Indeed, a huge percentage of the time is in an argument with Ward or Kid, as the facts are so seldom on their side.

Sometimes, rarely, one of us will concede a point or even just flat out admit that we were wrong on some position that we take.

Very few of us and not often for even those few.

But whether you, Utley, or Ward, the claims of triumph almost uniformly echo hollowly.

Given that you and I more often than not share perspectives, I wish I felt otherwise in your case.

But I know that even when I resoundingly counter one of Ward's more outrageous positions, there is no victory there - for me or anybody, and certainly not for him.

[bankshot1]

But it seems he wants to relitigate Michael Sam, a debate he lost years ago.

And that would be an example of what I mean by your belief in internet victories.

I get that you think you won that argument (and not debate), Banks, but you didn't.

Neither did he.

You each presented your opinions and the reasons you had them. There was no victory.

We do, occasionally, see actual victories here. Indeed, a huge percentage of the time is in an argument with Ward or Kid, as the facts are so seldom on their side.

Sometimes, rarely, one of us will concede a point or even just flat out admit that we were wrong on some position that we take.

Very few of us and not often for even those few.

But whether you, Utley, or Ward, the claims of triumph almost uniformly echo hollowly.

Given that you and I more often than not share perspectives, I wish I felt otherwise in your case.

But I know that even when I resoundingly counter one of Ward's more outrageous positions, there is no victory there - for me or anybody, and certainly not for him.

Josh people in real life and on the internet "win" debates.

Generally on facts and well articulated opinions.

but somtimes by taking the more popular side.

Whether those wins or losses get recognized is another matter.

i would suggest the need to relitigate old discussions might give you a hint as to the outcome of the original discussion.

[Hamilton Samuels]

You disrespected me (which is par for the course - you got this wired obsession) but then you disrespected my wife.


Actually, no. I just gave you back what you consistently hand to others---and my only reference to your wife was how she was no longer around to restrain you---which I admit was wrong, and which I accepted my punishment for---no complaints.  Happy to clear that up for you.

Still, you seem to think you have some kind of special deal with the rest of us, where you can say whatever you want to others without consequences.

Happily, that seems to have ended now.

Carry on, sensitive one.

[Hairy Lime]

Oh Jesus just SHUT UP.

[Hamilton Samuels]

Larry seems upset that last June I told him it was a 50-50 world

and that Joe's #1, #2, #3  job was covid- relief and fixing the economy and getting wins and building momentum for '22

and it came out 50-49.

Larry that's the politics that gets in the way of your preferred policies

I warned you Larry

But you only heard what you wanted to hear.

So you changed the subject.

ACHTUNG LARRY

LMAO

Larry seems upset that last June I told him it was a 50-50 world


Except it isn't a 50 - 50 world.

It is in Congress. But you will have Kamala to absorb all the heat. That's the real landscape, today. What you're saying is what you think the lay of the land is becoming. But we have never seen a consistent and sustained effort in the black community to maintain strong turnout numbers---and it's not simply because the GOP works its collective fat ass off to suppress the vote.

If your argument is that the party is and has been saved by the black community, it is necessary to show evidence of how that circumstance will be sustained, independent of the white liberals who have enabled that progress through their own means and money. It would also be of benefit to the party to be out there drafting more Latino and Asian voters to its ranks because that is where the real growth industry is for the future of the party.

[Hamilton Samuels]

I'm sorry I hurt you so deeply Larry that you felt compelled to drag up all the hurt from over the years.

I hope you find an easing of your pain.   

But as others have suggested perhaps you should deal with your pain on your own time and not in a public forum.

"Others" is plural.  Aside from one troll,  I see no "others" suggesting anything but that you all let it go.  Seriously,  try chess.

Bart I saw you, OC, whiskey, Uno and kid all post variations of that theme, They were either critical in some manner or wanted an end to the back and forth.

And I said "fine" I had no interest in relitigating Larry's lies from 9 months ago

But Bart why is it that Larry who changed the subject and wanted to re-engage in an all but dead topic from 9 months ago, to presumably avoid a real political discussion of a 50-49 vote and its ramifications, avoids your searing criticisms?

Seriously bart go fuck yourself and your white guilt.

I don't share it.

I hope that's ok with you.

Beautifully written.

[Hamilton Samuels]

I'm sorry I hurt you so deeply Larry that you felt compelled to drag up all the hurt from over the years.

I hope you find an easing of your pain.   

But as others have suggested perhaps you should deal with your pain on your own time and not in a public forum.

"Others" is plural.  Aside from one troll,  I see no "others" suggesting anything but that you all let it go.  Seriously,  try chess.

Bart I saw you, OC, whiskey, Uno and kid all post variations of that theme, They were either critical in some manner or wanted an end to the back and forth.

And I said "fine" I had no interest in relitigating Larry's lies from 9 months ago

You saw them say to drop the discussion.

You saw only Utley and Kid provide any agreement with what you were saying on the Kaep issue. And only Utley agreed with your recommendations for Larry.

And you chose to "relitigate" regardless of your claims of having no such interest, because you can never back down.

Not like you're the only one here with that propensity, of course. Nor is it unique to this forum.

Utley and Kid agree with you, Banks.

Wow...that is some kind of serious superciliousness there. Typical of the arrogance and the real hypocracy of a man who shields himself from the reality of the world itself.

Ha!

[Hamilton Samuels]

Oh Jesus just SHUT UP.

Uno, not Jesus, here.  And while Jesus is ubiquitous, I am limited in my capacity to influence others----

 Still, just because you and most of the cabal here don't have the stamina to keep up with banks or with me, it doesn't follow that we have a problem---the problem could be all yours for being so mentally weak.

Think about it. After you get back from today's bocce tournament, Fossil.

I'm off to turn water into wine, now.

Could take a while.

[Hamilton Samuels]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/03/08/what-election-asian-american-gop-women-means-party/

As Randall Avila, the executive director of the Orange County Republican Party, told the New Yorker recently, Republicans there have developed a strong ground game. For decades, they have sent representatives to every national naturalization ceremony in the county; translated campaign materials into Korean, Chinese and Vietnamese and recruited volunteers and partners from within those communities to canvass voters and cultivate candidates. Democrats have recently tried to match these efforts. The 2018 blue wave that saw Democrats sweep the county’s seven U.S. House seats and reverse GOP gains in the California state legislature depended a good deal on voter registration campaigns and materials in multiple Asian languages.

While McCarthy stressed conservative voters’ fear of “socialism” as an important factor in Kim and Steel’s success, there is a more pragmatic lesson to draw from their recent election victories: Any party that wants to win the nation’s increasingly multiracial electorate has to meet people where they are — in their languages, at their events and with support from their communities — or risk ceding these voters to the other party for good.

So, Larry, if you want to make it less than a 50-50 world, you should really consider that last line.

[LarryBnDC]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/03/08/what-election-asian-american-gop-women-means-party/

As Randall Avila, the executive director of the Orange County Republican Party, told the New Yorker recently, Republicans there have developed a strong ground game. For decades, they have sent representatives to every national naturalization ceremony in the county; translated campaign materials into Korean, Chinese and Vietnamese and recruited volunteers and partners from within those communities to canvass voters and cultivate candidates. Democrats have recently tried to match these efforts. The 2018 blue wave that saw Democrats sweep the county’s seven U.S. House seats and reverse GOP gains in the California state legislature depended a good deal on voter registration campaigns and materials in multiple Asian languages.

While McCarthy stressed conservative voters’ fear of “socialism” as an important factor in Kim and Steel’s success, there is a more pragmatic lesson to draw from their recent election victories: Any party that wants to win the nation’s increasingly multiracial electorate has to meet people where they are — in their languages, at their events and with support from their communities — or risk ceding these voters to the other party for good.

So, Larry, if you want to make it less than a 50-50 world, you should really consider that last line.

Yeah..

Hearts and minds.

Those motherfuckers won't even come out and say Biden won the election fair and square.

Have a seat, sucker.


https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/06/politics/georgia-voting-rights-jim-crow/index.html

[Hamilton Samuels]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/03/08/what-election-asian-american-gop-women-means-party/

As Randall Avila, the executive director of the Orange County Republican Party, told the New Yorker recently, Republicans there have developed a strong ground game. For decades, they have sent representatives to every national naturalization ceremony in the county; translated campaign materials into Korean, Chinese and Vietnamese and recruited volunteers and partners from within those communities to canvass voters and cultivate candidates. Democrats have recently tried to match these efforts. The 2018 blue wave that saw Democrats sweep the county’s seven U.S. House seats and reverse GOP gains in the California state legislature depended a good deal on voter registration campaigns and materials in multiple Asian languages.

While McCarthy stressed conservative voters’ fear of “socialism” as an important factor in Kim and Steel’s success, there is a more pragmatic lesson to draw from their recent election victories: Any party that wants to win the nation’s increasingly multiracial electorate has to meet people where they are — in their languages, at their events and with support from their communities — or risk ceding these voters to the other party for good.

So, Larry, if you want to make it less than a 50-50 world, you should really consider that last line.

Yeah..

Hearts and minds.

Those motherfuckers won't even come out and say Biden won the election fair and square.

Have a seat, sucker.


https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/06/politics/georgia-voting-rights-jim-crow/index.html

That is hardly a counterpoint.

Perhaps you should give up the idea that the black vote is Jesus to the Democratic Party's future. Try to think a little more, uh, multiculturally.

 I notice, for example, how silent you have been at the violence towards Asians that has risen in the last year.

 

[LarryBnDC]

The bottom line of all this storm and drag fromBanks is his insistence I LIED about an article I posted stating the USA had a chance to listen to peaceful protest.

In my haste to post I neglected to take "this week" out of. pull quote. of a three year old article about th NFL controversy of kneeling during the anthem.

My post was in June. The NFL DOES NOT PLAY IN JUME.

The article was illustrative of the point I was making how America freaked because of the football protest and then freaked over "the burning and losing" when thy could have listened to reason earlier.

Im not a LIAR.

Im not intellectually dishonest.


Banks is calling me a liar for the post and a liar for copping to  the mistake.

[LarryBnDC]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/03/08/what-election-asian-american-gop-women-means-party/

As Randall Avila, the executive director of the Orange County Republican Party, told the New Yorker recently, Republicans there have developed a strong ground game. For decades, they have sent representatives to every national naturalization ceremony in the county; translated campaign materials into Korean, Chinese and Vietnamese and recruited volunteers and partners from within those communities to canvass voters and cultivate candidates. Democrats have recently tried to match these efforts. The 2018 blue wave that saw Democrats sweep the county’s seven U.S. House seats and reverse GOP gains in the California state legislature depended a good deal on voter registration campaigns and materials in multiple Asian languages.

While McCarthy stressed conservative voters’ fear of “socialism” as an important factor in Kim and Steel’s success, there is a more pragmatic lesson to draw from their recent election victories: Any party that wants to win the nation’s increasingly multiracial electorate has to meet people where they are — in their languages, at their events and with support from their communities — or risk ceding these voters to the other party for good.

So, Larry, if you want to make it less than a 50-50 world, you should really consider that last line.

Yeah..

Hearts and minds.

Those motherfuckers won't even come out and say Biden won the election fair and square.

Have a seat, sucker.


https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/06/politics/georgia-voting-rights-jim-crow/index.html

That is hardly a counterpoint.

Perhaps you should give up the idea that the black vote is Jesus to the Democratic Party's future. Try to think a little more, uh, multiculturally.

 I notice, for example, how silent you have been at the violence towards Asians that has risen in the last year.

Wuhan Flu!

China Virus!

Kung Flu.

Just like th 80s when folks were running around fucking up Asans because Japan was buying up the USA.

RIP Vincent Chin

Remember him?