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Total Members Voted: 11

Voting closed: February 15, 2022, 10:51:36 AM

[barton]

Last I checked,  the protocol for arresting an unarmed person does not include shooting them.

Check again.

The statutory standards allow an officer to use deadly physical force when the officer reasonably believes it is necessary to (1) defend himself or herself or a third person from the use or imminent use of deadly physical force or (2) arrest or prevent the escape of someone the officer reasonably believes has committed or attempted to commit a felony involving the infliction or threat of serious physical injury, and, if feasible, the officer has given warning of his or her intent to use deadly physical force.

Yes, I know that.  I didn't write at greater length, as in.... "the protocol....does not include shooting them, if they are nonviolent and the warrant is for a nonviolent offense..." which apparently I needed to, instead of assuming people here were intelligent enough to follow the implication in this case.  So, no, they don't get to shoot him.  Unless it turns out he was being violent in some covert way that no witnesses have bothered to mention.  Usually, putting both hands on the steering wheel is considered a signal that you are not opting for violence with a firearm. 

[barton]

If it proves that Brown was attempting to run over officers, and they had no option to protect themselves (like, say, stepping aside from a moving vehicle) but shooting, then the case will go a different direction. 

[LarryBnDC]

Last I checked,  the protocol for arresting an unarmed person does not include shooting them.

Check again.

The statutory standards allow an officer to use deadly physical force when the officer reasonably believes it is necessary to (1) defend himself or herself or a third person from the use or imminent use of deadly physical force or (2) arrest or prevent the escape of someone the officer reasonably believes has committed or attempted to commit a felony involving the infliction or threat of serious physical injury, and, if feasible, the officer has given warning of his or her intent to use deadly physical force.

Check again... fleeing felon.


Tennessee vs Garner

[REDSTATEWARD]

Last I checked,  the protocol for arresting an unarmed person does not include shooting them.

Check again.

The statutory standards allow an officer to use deadly physical force when the officer reasonably believes it is necessary to (1) defend himself or herself or a third person from the use or imminent use of deadly physical force or (2) arrest or prevent the escape of someone the officer reasonably believes has committed or attempted to commit a felony involving the infliction or threat of serious physical injury, and, if feasible, the officer has given warning of his or her intent to use deadly physical force.

Yes, I know that.  I didn't write at greater length, as in.... "the protocol....does not include shooting them, if they are nonviolent and the warrant is for a nonviolent offense..." which apparently I needed to, instead of assuming people here were intelligent enough to follow the implication in this case.  So, no, they don't get to shoot him.  Unless it turns out he was being violent in some covert way that no witnesses have bothered to mention.  Usually, putting both hands on the steering wheel is considered a signal that you are not opting for violence with a firearm.

Do us all a favor and check back in when all the facts are revealed.
Your speculations on protocol, etc are not very enlightened nor productive. 

[kidcarter8]

If it proves that Brown was attempting to run over officers, and they had no option to protect themselves (like, say, stepping aside from a moving vehicle) but shooting, then the case will go a different direction.


Unfortunately, this part is probably inaccurate

But N Carolina supposedly does have some of the toughest anti-use of force laws for law enforcement

We wait.

[LarryBnDC]

If it proves that Brown was attempting to run over officers, and they had no option to protect themselves (like, say, stepping aside from a moving vehicle) but shooting, then the case will go a different direction.


Unfortunately, this part is probably inaccurate

But N Carolina supposedly does have some of the toughest anti-use of force laws for law enforcement

We wait.

So release the footage.

[kidcarter8]

So release the footage.


Sure, I will get right on it so you can give it your slant.  I am sure "didnt have to kill him" will be part of it.

Q:  If the fifth shot hits his arm (like the other 4, reportedly) and they stop shooting, what happens next?

[barton]

Do us all a favor and check back in when all the facts are revealed.
Your speculations on protocol, etc are not very enlightened nor productive.

Got your enlightenment right here, Dalai Lama....

[facilitatorn]

Speaking of facts getting revealed,

http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2021/4/28/2028032/-Federal-investigators-search-Rudy-Giuliani-s-apartment-in-connection-to-criminal-investigations

[kidcarter8]

https://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/27/nyregion/27fire.html?ex=1165640400&en=20c0f57dec1d05ce&ei=5070

[LarryBnDC]

Do us all a favor and check back in when all the facts are revealed.
Your speculations on protocol, etc are not very enlightened nor productive.

Got your enlightenment right here, Dalai Lama....

[LarryBnDC]

So release the footage.


Sure, I will get right on it so you can give it your slant.  I am sure "didnt have to kill him" will be part of it.

Q:  If the fifth shot hits his arm (like the other 4, reportedly) and they stop shooting, what happens next?

Fuck the speculation!

Let’s the footage.

[kidcarter8]

LOL

Sorry for asking you to reason.

[LarryBnDC]

LOL

Sorry for asking you to reason.

Why guess what happened?

There’s dashcam video, there’s body cam video if that footage backed up the Sheriff Department stories that footage would be all over.

Can’t release the footage but let’s hear all about Brown’s rap sheet.

The game is as stale as week old bread.

[facilitatorn]

Damn straight.

Keep marching.