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Russia will gain eastern Ukraine territories and hold them, as it has Crimea

5 (45.5%)

Russia will temporarily gain eastern Ukraine territories before being forced out of them

2 (18.2%)

Efforts to confront the Russian forces and get them out of Ukraine will lead to Putin's escalating and attacking NATO countries directly with missiles or other destructive measures

0 (0%)

The NATO/World response will be so mild that Putin will go ahead and take the rest of Ukraine

3 (27.3%)

Today Ukraine, tomorrow Moldova and who knows where else

1 (9.1%)

Total Members Voted: 10

Voting closed: March 01, 2022, 01:18:43 PM

[facilitatorn]

If they can make an alliance with the Shriners, you may have something there Tony.

[facilitatorn]

http://www.emptywheel.net/2022/02/26/how-not-to-lose-a-world-war-between-authoritarianism-and-democracy-2/

[luee]

Putin and an armed drone made for each other. Keep thinking of that line from "saving private Ryan" from the sniper Private Daniel Jackson. He was chosen by Captain Miller to be part of a squad to find Private James Francis Ryan. While hiking to Neuville, he professed that God made him "a fine instrument of warfare", bragging that he could kill Adolf Hitler from up to a mile away.
Putin appears to be a thug, a racist, and a war monger.

[josh]

Got any other suggestions as to what we should do if Putin starts nuking Europe?

What if...Putin's Russia nukes Kiev/Kyiv or whatever it's called...why can't eastern Europe have simple names like Bill, Jack and Tom....New York, York, Greenville.

1) If he initiates nukes, he will get some in return.

2) If he nukes Keev, then he will be obliterating his own troops and people. Radiation fallout doesn't stay in nice little regions or heed borders. He will have attacked every country that borders Ukraine by that action.

He may wish to seem a madman, but it is not a convincing pose.

3) As for names, you really are a bigoted asshole, Bambu.

[josh]

Putin and an armed drone made for each other. Keep thinking of that line from "saving private Ryan" from the sniper Private Daniel Jackson. He was chosen by Captain Miller to be part of a squad to find Private James Francis Ryan. While hiking to Neuville, he professed that God made him "a fine instrument of warfare", bragging that he could kill Adolf Hitler from up to a mile away.
Putin appears to be a thug, a racist, and a war monger.

Like we're going to take advice from a person who insisted that the West was making shit up and who spread the Putin-based lie about who runs Ukraine.

Ready to admit your mistakes, yet?

[kiidcarter8]

Putin and an armed drone made for each other. Keep thinking of that line from "saving private Ryan" from the sniper Private Daniel Jackson. He was chosen by Captain Miller to be part of a squad to find Private James Francis Ryan. While hiking to Neuville, he professed that God made him "a fine instrument of warfare", bragging that he could kill Adolf Hitler from up to a mile away.
Putin appears to be a thug, a racist, and a war monger.

Shhhhh...

Diplomacy and sanctions are working.

[Holly Martins]

I think people will be quoting "I need ammunition, I don't need a ride." for many years.

Zelensky is a man of courage, leadership, and grace under pressure.   Not bad for a greenhorn!

The sanctions are starting to cumulate in a meaningful way.  I see BP has disinvested from the Russian state oil company. 

And no, Putin is not nuking lands that he is directly downwind of.  In the northern hemisphere, prevailing winds are from the west. 

[bambu.]

Putin and an armed drone made for each other. Keep thinking of that line from "saving private Ryan" from the sniper Private Daniel Jackson. He was chosen by Captain Miller to be part of a squad to find Private James Francis Ryan. While hiking to Neuville, he professed that God made him "a fine instrument of warfare", bragging that he could kill Adolf Hitler from up to a mile away.
Putin appears to be a thug, a racist, and a war monger.

Shhhhh...

Diplomacy and sanctions are working.

Putin laughs at sanctions.

[Holly Martins]

I can read both Russian and Ukrainian Cyrillic.  Київ is more accurately transcribed as Kyiv. 

The old spelling is offensive to a Ukrainian because "Kiev" was the Russian name (киев).  IOW the older transcription basically says "the city belongs to Russia."

Надеюсь, это поможет!

[bambu.]

Got any other suggestions as to what we should do if Putin starts nuking Europe?

What if...Putin's Russia nukes Kiev/Kyiv or whatever it's called...why can't eastern Europe have simple names like Bill, Jack and Tom....New York, York, Greenville.

1) If he initiates nukes, he will get some in return.

2) If he nukes Keev, then he will be obliterating his own troops and people. Radiation fallout doesn't stay in nice little regions or heed borders. He will have attacked every country that borders Ukraine by that action.

He may wish to seem a madman, but it is not a convincing pose.

3) As for names, you really are a bigoted asshole, Bambu.

I deleted tha names bit...not the standard I should be striving for.

[josh]

https://theconversation.com/just-short-of-nuclear-the-latest-financial-sanctions-will-cripple-russias-economy-178000

[josh]

Protest in St. Petersburg:

[LarryBnDC]

I can read both Russian and Ukrainian Cyrillic.  Київ is more accurately transcribed as Kyiv. 

The old spelling is offensive to a Ukrainian because "Kiev" was the Russian name (киев).  IOW the older transcription basically says "the city belongs to Russia."

Надеюсь, это поможет!

Whoa!

[bambu.]

Putin laughs at protesters.
Putin and the richest of the rich in Russia laugh at sanctions.

[bambu.]

Why sanctions on Russia won't work

Just a few ultra-wealthy individuals sit at the top of the economic pyramid. As it was under the Czars, the issue in Russia now is that the population is mainly poor...with average annual per capita income around one fifth of that in the U.S.
Ultimately, the poverty-stricken will feel the bite of sanctions far more than the elite.