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Russia will gain eastern Ukraine territories and hold them, as it has Crimea

5 (45.5%)

Russia will temporarily gain eastern Ukraine territories before being forced out of them

2 (18.2%)

Efforts to confront the Russian forces and get them out of Ukraine will lead to Putin's escalating and attacking NATO countries directly with missiles or other destructive measures

0 (0%)

The NATO/World response will be so mild that Putin will go ahead and take the rest of Ukraine

3 (27.3%)

Today Ukraine, tomorrow Moldova and who knows where else

1 (9.1%)

Total Members Voted: 10

Voting closed: March 01, 2022, 01:18:43 PM

[facilitatorn]

Pop Alexi Ovechkin for coke. Fair is fair.

[Oilcandide]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rep-sheila-jackson-lee-demands-russia-release-wnba-star-no-right-to-hold-ms-griner-period


But she is guilty.

We don't know that the vape cartridges contain hashish oil.  Odd you would not consider that an adversary nation, with Russia's history of using the justice system for political arrests on false charges, might be doing this for political blackmail. 

[luee]

Putin is going against everything that good people stand for. Instead of helping people he is causing death and misery and he is creating poverty as people leave their homes with just the clothes that they are wearing. Millions of people are going to be wandering around homeless depending on aid from others. And the world economy was already bad, and we had the problems with the corona crisis. We are going to have poor, desperate people arriving here in the USA seeking opportunities.

And we already have 60,000 homeless people in Los Angeles alone who need help.

We need to have peace, and we need to help the homeless, and we need to be the land of opportunity so that everyone can earn a living and buy a home, etc.

The Russians are going to come to America too when they end up poor and hungry from the sanctions, and most Russians were already poor. And it is a short trip for the Russians to enter Alaska.

Somehow we need to reach out to the Russians who loved the USA in 1991, and we need to put the good Russians in charge of Russia. They need a a new wise Junta in Russia.

I hate it when people intentionally cause poverty and suffering and death, instead we need to be helping the poor people in Latin America, and in the Philippines, and we need to be expanding world trade and we need to be creating ladders by which the poor can climb to better lives and we need to be creating a more wise and peaceful world.

Salute,

Tony V.

Its all about removing the madman Putin. Save millions of lives and endless suffering not to mention future wars. Putin has borrowed heavily from the Nazi roadmap. Too much for a seal team Op? James Bond where are you when the world needs you. 12 o clock high on the Kremlin? Actually death by drone would be most fitting.

[bambu.]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rep-sheila-jackson-lee-demands-russia-release-wnba-star-no-right-to-hold-ms-griner-period


But she is guilty.

We don't know that the vape cartridges contain hashish oil.  Odd you would not consider that an adversary nation, with Russia's history of using the justice system for political arrests on false charges, might be doing this for political blackmail.

Another clear reason to stay right away from Russia, China, and every other place in the world, basically ....unless there's an absolute guarantee of safety and no political blackmail...beyond one's own country's shores.

After the Bali bombings MK2 in 2005 a man rang my radio and said:

"Slow-learners are still going to Bali"

[Holly Martins]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/mar/06/the-more-ukraine-resists-the-greater-the-danger-to-nato-it-should-act-now-to-stop-the-slaughter

While he makes some points, I think it's not good to never mention Russia's huge nuke arsenal in such a commentary piece.  In a world of only conventional weapons, the no-fly zone option might be implemented by now, and I could well imagine the Russian army imploding in due course.  But that's not our world.

[bambu.]

Putin is going against everything that good people stand for. Instead of helping people he is causing death and misery and he is creating poverty as people leave their homes with just the clothes that they are wearing. Millions of people are going to be wandering around homeless depending on aid from others. And the world economy was already bad, and we had the problems with the corona crisis. We are going to have poor, desperate people arriving here in the USA seeking opportunities.

And we already have 60,000 homeless people in Los Angeles alone who need help.

We need to have peace, and we need to help the homeless, and we need to be the land of opportunity so that everyone can earn a living and buy a home, etc.

The Russians are going to come to America too when they end up poor and hungry from the sanctions, and most Russians were already poor. And it is a short trip for the Russians to enter Alaska.

Somehow we need to reach out to the Russians who loved the USA in 1991, and we need to put the good Russians in charge of Russia. They need a a new wise Junta in Russia.

I hate it when people intentionally cause poverty and suffering and death, instead we need to be helping the poor people in Latin America, and in the Philippines, and we need to be expanding world trade and we need to be creating ladders by which the poor can climb to better lives and we need to be creating a more wise and peaceful world.

Salute,

Tony V.

Might wanna check very carefully the ID and background of any "Russian refugees" allegedly fleeing Ukraine.
Could be terrorists/spies out to destroy America, and the West.

[bambu.]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/mar/06/the-more-ukraine-resists-the-greater-the-danger-to-nato-it-should-act-now-to-stop-the-slaughter

While he makes some points, I think it's not good to never mention Russia's huge nuke arsenal in such a commentary piece.  In a world of only conventional weapons, the no-fly zone option might be implemented by now, and I could well imagine the Russian army imploding in due course.  But that's not our world.

It will be if Russia attacks any NATO country....IF, alliances still mean something.

[Hairy Lime]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rep-sheila-jackson-lee-demands-russia-release-wnba-star-no-right-to-hold-ms-griner-period


But she is guilty.

We don't know that the vape cartridges contain hashish oil.  Odd you would not consider that an adversary nation, with Russia's history of using the justice system for political arrests on false charges, might be doing this for political blackmail.

Another clear reason to stay right away from Russia, China, and every other place in the world, basically ....unless there's an absolute guarantee of safety and no political blackmail...beyond one's own country's shores.

After the Bali bombings MK2 in 2005 a man rang my radio and said:

"Slow-learners are still going to Bali"

Did you enjoy the trip?

[kidcarter8]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rep-sheila-jackson-lee-demands-russia-release-wnba-star-no-right-to-hold-ms-griner-period


But she is guilty.

We don't know that the vape cartridges contain hashish oil.  Odd you would not consider that an adversary nation, with Russia's history of using the justice system for political arrests on false charges, might be doing this for political blackmail.

That's it?  This is what you are  going on?

[facilitatorn]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/mar/06/the-more-ukraine-resists-the-greater-the-danger-to-nato-it-should-act-now-to-stop-the-slaughter

While he makes some points, I think it's not good to never mention Russia's huge nuke arsenal in such a commentary piece.  In a world of only conventional weapons, the no-fly zone option might be implemented by now, and I could well imagine the Russian army imploding in due course.  But that's not our world.

I am sure NATO is revising its most recent and comprehensive plan for how to demilitarize Russia pretty damn quick.

Arming Ukraine from the east end of NATO with equipment they are familiar with while replacing the committed hardware with upgrades, focused on jets and artillery, along with all the drones, luggable missiles, and basic supplies Ukraine can carry. This keeps us out of direct war with Russia and makes the Ukrainian forces more dangerous to the occupying Russian military. If Ukraine can beat Russia without NATO directly committing that is among the better outcomes.

If Russia brings a nuclear weapon to bear or cracks a nuclear facility by plan or happenstance, it becomes a different story involving the execution of those aforementioned plans.

[josh]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rep-sheila-jackson-lee-demands-russia-release-wnba-star-no-right-to-hold-ms-griner-period


But she is guilty.

We don't know that the vape cartridges contain hashish oil.  Odd you would not consider that an adversary nation, with Russia's history of using the justice system for political arrests on false charges, might be doing this for political blackmail.

That's it?  This is what you are  going on?

Kid only believes in "innocent unti proven guilty" when it's applied to people he supports.

[facilitatorn]

Kid heard from his bot friends that Griner also use emails.

[bodiddley]

The nuclear power plants are safe crowd never mentions how vulnerable they are to attack and/or sabotage* (electricity failure caused the Fukushima disaster).  During wartime, they become highly dangerous targets with obvious vulnerabilities.  And of course there is no safe way of storing radioactive waste which poses a danger for an incredibly long time.  Other than that and the occasional Chernobyl and Fukushima, nuclear power is very safe ...

[Holly Martins]

Yeah I'm always surprised at how many people don't grasp that the big reactor cooling systems are run off the electrical grid.  And backup is usually diesel generators.  (And then next backup is batteries, IF the company decided another level of safety was worth the trouble and expense).  So if the grid is down (likely in Russian attacks), and a missile happens to take out the generators, you are looking at potential disaster.  And, even if the plant was shut down shortly before, there's the problem they call decay heat, which is just intermediate radioisotopes with a short half-life still cranking out heat in the fuel rods and this still requires the coolant pumps to be running for several days or weeks. 

The new generation of modular reactors with passive emergency cooling are much safer, especially in a crazy world with bad actors.  They still have the waste problem, of course.

[Holly Martins]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/mar/06/the-more-ukraine-resists-the-greater-the-danger-to-nato-it-should-act-now-to-stop-the-slaughter

While he makes some points, I think it's not good to never mention Russia's huge nuke arsenal in such a commentary piece.  In a world of only conventional weapons, the no-fly zone option might be implemented by now, and I could well imagine the Russian army imploding in due course.  But that's not our world.

I am sure NATO is revising its most recent and comprehensive plan for how to demilitarize Russia pretty damn quick.

Arming Ukraine from the east end of NATO with equipment they are familiar with while replacing the committed hardware with upgrades, focused on jets and artillery, along with all the drones, luggable missiles, and basic supplies Ukraine can carry. This keeps us out of direct war with Russia and makes the Ukrainian forces more dangerous to the occupying Russian military. If Ukraine can beat Russia without NATO directly committing that is among the better outcomes.

If Russia brings a nuclear weapon to bear or cracks a nuclear facility by plan or happenstance, it becomes a different story involving the execution of those aforementioned plans.

What's scary is: how do allies deliver fighter jets to Ukraine without, y'know, flying them into Ukraine airspace?  IIRC Poland is willing to donate some of their MIGs, which involves the possibly provocative act of letting Ukrainian pilots come pick them up from Polish airfields and then fly sorties from there.  So it's unclear if Poland wants to risk Russia seeing them as joining the war.