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Russia will gain eastern Ukraine territories and hold them, as it has Crimea

5 (45.5%)

Russia will temporarily gain eastern Ukraine territories before being forced out of them

2 (18.2%)

Efforts to confront the Russian forces and get them out of Ukraine will lead to Putin's escalating and attacking NATO countries directly with missiles or other destructive measures

0 (0%)

The NATO/World response will be so mild that Putin will go ahead and take the rest of Ukraine

3 (27.3%)

Today Ukraine, tomorrow Moldova and who knows where else

1 (9.1%)

Total Members Voted: 10

Voting closed: March 01, 2022, 01:18:43 PM

[bambu.]

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/14/europe/patriarch-kirill-putin-spiritual-battle-intl-cmd/index.html

Tony, apparently this war is being encouraged by the Patriarch of the Russian Orthodox Church, who sees this as somewhat of a holy war to reunite his church and his people.

Well there you go, Putin has Christian Russia right behind him.
A disgrace.
Every man in Ukraine, along with anyone else who couldn't escape, is doomed to die.
Population of Ukraine was 44 million.
3 million have fled.
Basic maths...
44 minus 3 leaves 41.
41 million people...1 1/2 times the population of Australia are about to be exterminated by Russia's bombs and missiles...unless they can escape.

Surely the "on the path to pure evil" West is not going to stand idly by and watch 41 million innocent people get slaughtered.
That's what it looks like it's going to do.

Time to tell Putin he can have Ukraine...IF, and only IF, he lets the 41 million people escape.

[luee]

Putin is following the path of Hitler. Diplomacy does not work, too late. A drone upon the head works every time. We don't execute heads of state?

[facilitatorn]

http://www.emptywheel.net/2022/03/14/another-report-from-an-unidentified-russian-operative/

[josh]

Putin is following the path of Hitler. Diplomacy does not work, too late. A drone upon the head works every time. We don't execute heads of state?

The number of ways that this is not "the path of Hitler" is greater than the ways in which it is.

[josh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7MSwfHsybk

Ukraine's national anthem, from voices around the globe.

[bambu.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7MSwfHsybk

Ukraine's national anthem, from voices around the globe.

Lovely...but in reality if they don't escape or get a massive air force from somewhere all their bodies will be laying down...dead.
Machine guns v  war planes that rule the skies without contest...my money is on the war planes.

[Holly Martins]

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/15/europe/ukraine-russian-prisoners-of-war-intl/index.html

Seems Russian soldiers are not so enthusiastic about their mission. 

[Hairy Lime]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7MSwfHsybk

Ukraine's national anthem, from voices around the globe.

Lovely...but in reality if they don't escape or get a massive air force from somewhere all their bodies will be laying down...dead.
Machine guns v  war planes that rule the skies without contest...my money is on the war planes.

Javelin missiles on the other hand do a real good job and only take one person and very little training.

[luee]

Putin is following the path of Hitler. Diplomacy does not work, too late. A drone upon the head works every time. We don't execute heads of state?

The number of ways that this is not "the path of Hitler" is greater than the ways in which it is.

Main difference is up to now no concentration camps. Invasion of a soverign nation, check. Indiscriminate bombing, check. Shelling civilian targets, check. Diplomatic efforts useless, check. An unhinged autocratic leader, check. Homeless moving around, check.

[josh]

Putin is following the path of Hitler. Diplomacy does not work, too late. A drone upon the head works every time. We don't execute heads of state?

The number of ways that this is not "the path of Hitler" is greater than the ways in which it is.

Main difference is up to now no concentration camps. Invasion of a soverign nation, check. Indiscriminate bombing, check. Shelling civilian targets, check. Diplomatic efforts useless, check. An unhinged autocratic leader, check. Homeless moving around, check.

No, while the concentration camp difference is stark, there is no specific targeted population  - not the Jews, not the Romani, not the gays...

The invasion of Poland was done in collaboration with Russia and they agreed to split it.

From the US Holocaust Museum:

Britain and France, standing by their guarantee of Poland's border, declared war on Germany on September 3, 1939. After the defeat of Polish forces, German authorities began enforcing their racial policies in the occupied territories. They required Jews to identify themselves by wearing white armbands with a blue Star of David and conscripted them for forced-labor. They expelled hundreds of thousands of Poles from their homes and settled more than 500,000 ethnic Germans in their place.

There was no guarantee of Ukraine's borders and therefore no declaration of war against Russia. We're seeing no conscription of Jews or other Ukrainian people for forced labor. And there is no move, at this juncture, to settle ethnic Russians in Ukraine.

But Luee, the biggest difference lies in the 6 years prior to the invasion.

The second biggest difference is in the efficiency of the Russian army.

[facilitatorn]

I would say those conditions are TBD until the Russians hold ground and stay. Hopefully those conditions are never met and no one gets to find out who is the more brutal occupier of Ukraine.

We are now sending kamikaze drones, flying guided one shots that provide surveillance until they are detonated. The whole unit is cheaper than a single hellfire missile and they do just fine on tanks and missile batteries. Any Ukrainian with PlayStation experience can now deliver body blows with accuracy from kilometers away.

This is prior to the war during the build up. Worth the watch

http://youtu.be/deFB3UCJCcE

[FlyingVProd]

I am an expert at showing love and compassion for the poor and the needy, and I am good at saving world economies, and at helping people, I am not an expert at punishing people, and there is no fun for me in punishing people.

So, from that perspective, then we need to appeal to the good people in Russia, who are our allies in Russia, to remove Putin and to take control of Russia, and then we can reward the good people with trade, and new businesses, and jobs, and doctors, etc.

We need for the good people in Russia to quickly take control of Russia. The same way that the Italians eventually killed Mussolini themselves. The Italians never really supported Mussolini, and the Nazis were the main source of evil.

Pope Francis has allies in Russia, maybe we can all support the allies of Pope Francis to take control of Russia and rebuild Russia.

I will have many ideas when it comes to rebuilding Russia, and to bring blessings to good people who are worthy of being blessed.

And basically, it is the same thing that we have been doing in Colombia, we helped them to remove the bad guys, and we support the good peole, and we buy coffee from Colombia, and we support education in Colombia, etc, and the President of Colombia attended Harvard, etc. We can offer those same blessings to Russia if we find allies in Russia who we can support.

Life cannot be just about punishment, there needs to be some nice rewards, and we need for the good people of Russia to choose the rewards like the people of Colombia have. Colombia is being rewarded because they are a good nation with good leaders.

Salute,

Tony V.

[Holly Martins]

Russia and Ukraine hope for breakthrough in peace talks

KYIV/LVIV, Ukraine, March 16 (Reuters) - New talk of compromise from both Moscow and Kyiv on a status for Ukraine outside of NATO lifted hope on Wednesday for a potential breakthrough after three weeks of war.

Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said negotiations were becoming (more realistic), while Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said there was (some hope for compromise).

The Kremlin said the sides were discussing status for Ukraine similar to that of Austria or Sweden, both members of the European Union that are outside the NATO military alliance. Ukraine chief negotiator said it would give Kyiv binding international security guarantees to prevent future attacks.

[FlyingVProd]

Pope Francis is expanding his radio station in Russia to speak to the people of Russia, the Pope has allies in Russia.

And the Colombians had a lot of hard times, they had to remove Pablo Escobar, and they had to remove a lot of other people, but now they are doing great, and they have had a string of great leaders, Colombia is doing great right now because the people chose the rewards of peace and prosperity.

Salute,

Tony V.

[FlyingVProd]

We need to give money and weapons and support to our allies in Russia, once we find out who they are.

The Pope is on the radio talking to the Russians now, we will see who rises up against Putin.

Salute,

Tony V.