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Russia will gain eastern Ukraine territories and hold them, as it has Crimea

5 (45.5%)

Russia will temporarily gain eastern Ukraine territories before being forced out of them

2 (18.2%)

Efforts to confront the Russian forces and get them out of Ukraine will lead to Putin's escalating and attacking NATO countries directly with missiles or other destructive measures

0 (0%)

The NATO/World response will be so mild that Putin will go ahead and take the rest of Ukraine

3 (27.3%)

Today Ukraine, tomorrow Moldova and who knows where else

1 (9.1%)

Total Members Voted: 10

Voting closed: March 01, 2022, 01:18:43 PM

[Holly Martins]

Har!  That joke works almost anywhere and anywhen.

[Holly Martins]

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-business-travel-europe-environment-8a16a36b519ae4677a37bba29b9e96f8

The International Energy Agency says the world could quickly reduce global oil demand by 2.7 million barrels a day by cutting down on car and plane travel, helping easing the supply crunch caused by Russia s invasion of Ukraine.

The Paris-based agency said in a report released Friday that (quote )practical actions by governments and citizens(unquote) could significantly reduce oil demand, make fuel cheaper for consumers, shrink Russia s hydrocarbon revenue and boost efforts to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

The IEA said its 10-point plan could, if fully implemented in advanced economies, cut oil demand by the same amount as all the cars in China within four months....

Americans need to learn from the people of Rome, they all walk to the market to buy groceries, and they ride bicycles, and they ride mopeds, and if you want to go to Cinecitta then you just hop on the subway. And the people of Rome are fun, in the evening the locals all come out to drink wine with the tourists in the courtyard, etc.

Rome is great, I would like to see Anaheim become more like Rome, and I gave up my car years ago.

It would be good for Americans to drive less, and we can strive to be more like the Italians. Maybe this war will encourage some people to try walking to the market, and walking to the post office, etc, so that they can cut back on buying gas.

Salute,

Tony V.

Right on, Tony.  I saw a similar approach to transport various places in Europe.  And cities there are laid out for that pedestrian lifestyle, which helps.  We can do better here in the USA.

[FlyingVProd]

One idea for the refugees who come to Kentucky, is they can make canned food and frozen food and they can export it to Canada and to other nations.

They can make wonderful frozen burritos and they can sell them to the Canadians, etc.

And they can make canned food like Chef Boyardee and they can sell it to the Canadians, and to the world.

https://chefboyardee.com/

That is one way that the refugees and immigrants and homeless people can rise is by selling exports to other nations.

Salute,

Tony V.

[LarryBnDC]

One idea for the refugees who come to Kentucky, is they can make canned food and frozen food and they can export it to Canada and to other nations.

They can make wonderful frozen burritos and they can sell them to the Canadians, etc.

And they can make canned food like Chef Boyardee and they can sell it to the Canadians, and to the world.

https://chefboyardee.com/

That is one way that the refugees and immigrants and homeless people can rise is by selling exports to other nations.

Salute,

Tony V.

Why not sell it here?

[FlyingVProd]

One idea for the refugees who come to Kentucky, is they can make canned food and frozen food and they can export it to Canada and to other nations.

They can make wonderful frozen burritos and they can sell them to the Canadians, etc.

And they can make canned food like Chef Boyardee and they can sell it to the Canadians, and to the world.

https://chefboyardee.com/

That is one way that the refugees and immigrants and homeless people can rise is by selling exports to other nations.

Salute,

Tony V.

Why not sell it here?

They can. But, if they do exports then they have access to the Export - Import Bank of the United Sates, and exporting helps the USA to grow our GDP and generate wealth. Exporting is good for the USA.

https://www.usa.gov/federal-agencies/export-import-bank-of-the-united-states

Salute,

Tony V.

[facilitatorn]

http://www.emptywheel.net/2022/03/18/playing-jenga-the-russian-trade-edition/

[bambu.]

Russia fires hypersonic missile in Ukraine.
*
Aussie sending 70,000 tonnes of coal to Ukraine.
ScoMo announces ban on exporting alumina to Russia.
Russian ship turned around.

[bambu.]

Joe Trupia, artist at Citizen Brick in Chicago, is raising funds for Ukraine by selling Zelenskiy Lego-style figurines...and toy Molotov cocktails...reportedly.
Go Joe.

[facilitatorn]

Russia fires hypersonic missile in Ukraine.
*
Aussie sending 70,000 tonnes of coal to Ukraine.
ScoMo announces ban on exporting alumina to Russia.
Russian ship turned around.

It would be better if you guys could figure out how to grow some wheat.

[bambu.]

Russia fires hypersonic missile in Ukraine.
*
Aussie sending 70,000 tonnes of coal to Ukraine.
ScoMo announces ban on exporting alumina to Russia.
Russian ship turned around.

It would be better if you guys could figure out how to grow some wheat.

LOL
You know we export many millions of tonnes of wheat annually.
Part of the reason China wants Australia...food security.

Ukraine has requested the coal.

[luee]

We are now all living in the nightmarish delusional world of Putin. A war in the Ukraine, huh. Makes no sense on any level.

[facilitatorn]

Leadership that cannot or will not address their internal divisions sometimes looks to create external conflicts to galvanize the population and shift focus and blame for the problems existing at home.

http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/3/20/2086991/-Sabotaging-Russian-War-Efforts-Demographics

This seems like a policy well worth trying if the underlying assessment is correct. 

[Holly Martins]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/03/21/ukraine-is-winning-war-russia-offensive-putin/

Accessible URL...

https://archive.ph/2022.03.21-131404/https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/03/21/ukraine-is-winning-war-russia-offensive-putin/

[josh]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/03/21/ukraine-is-winning-war-russia-offensive-putin/

Accessible URL...

https://archive.ph/2022.03.21-131404/https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/03/21/ukraine-is-winning-war-russia-offensive-putin/

Interesting report.

I don't view Ukraine as winning. I think both sides are losing in this war - Ukraine is losing by the massive amounts of destroyed infrastructure and the huge number of displaced people. Even if the suggested outcome proves true and Putin must withdraw his forces, Ukraine has been devastated.

Yes, Russia is losing, too, and in ways Putin would never have guessed - their military reputation and the fear of the Russian war machine have become fodder for jokes and not even nervous ones. Putin's own reputation as a strongman has been undermined by Russia's inability to execute its mission.

And perhaps Russia will win this war by its people being emboldened to overthrow their government. Perhaps.

But for the nonce, I think both sides are losing more than either side is winning.

[Holly Martins]

Thumbs up to that, Josh.  And the undermining of Putin's reputation as a strong leader and commander is what makes this such a perilous moment.  All I can do is hope (a) he is bluffing about tac nukes, and (b) if he isn't, that the nukes have been sitting around a long time in storage units and their firing circuits have corroded.