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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[kiidcarter8]

I am not comforted, though it's nice to see that "Deb" is. (And I hate listening to the misogynistic pig call her that.)


After reading you the last few weeks we can't judge anything by your negativity - sorry.  It's just neverending.

[LarryBnDC]

Seattle NPR station is going to stop playing Trump's daily coronavirus updates because they have too much bogus information in them.

How dare the people get the news unfiltered from the head of our Government who is held accountable by the voters! In in
Especially by a so called “ public” station.

News would be fine, dipshit.

Lies and misrepresentations that threaten their lives, not so much.

I highlighted and colored that part, since you seem to have missed it.

“ Bogus” information as defined by who?
I remind you that you and your leftist friends spent the better part of  four years  on “ Russia”!. “Obstruction”!, “Kavanaugh”! and “ Impeachment “! and all of them wound up
BOGUS!
Well. How do you like those apples?

The only thing BOGUS is the GOP pretending to give a shit about this nation.

[josh]

I am not comforted, though it's nice to see that "Deb" is. (And I hate listening to the misogynistic pig call her that.)


After reading you the last few weeks we can't judge anything by your negativity - sorry.  It's just neverending.

Ah, the royal "we" from Kid.

You can't judge anything from what I say because you cannot bother to process what I have said, to read the links I have provided, or to try to figure out if I am accurate or not on your own.

But even you, dumbfuck though you appear to be, should be able to grasp that calling Dr. Fauci "Dr Fauci" and in the same sentence calling Ambassador Birx "Deb" is the act of a sexist. For Trump to do so repeatedly is a mark of disrespect and lack of consideration, as well as a message (likely inadvertent) to women and girls all over the country. He could even try "Dr. Birx," though that would still not be right - it would at least signal awareness of her having the higher degree. "Deb."

And your endless blowhard baseless positivity provides even less to judge in terms of accuracy or veracity than you say my constant negativity does.

BTW, I predicted within a day when we would pass China for cases.

Maybe there is something to my so-called negativity... like FACTS.

Asshole.

[LarryBnDC]

I am not comforted, though it's nice to see that "Deb" is. (And I hate listening to the misogynistic pig call her that.)


After reading you the last few weeks we can't judge anything by your negativity - sorry.  It's just neverending.

For life is quite absurd
And death's the final word
You must always face the curtain with a bow
Forget about your sin
Give the audience a grin
Enjoy it, it's your last chance anyhow

So, always look on the bright side of death
A-just before you draw your terminal breath

Life's a piece of shit
When you look at it
Life's a laugh and death's a joke, it's true
You'll see it's all a show
Keep 'em laughing as you go
Just remember that the last laugh is on you

And always look on the bright side of life
Always look on the right side of life
<whistle>

C'mon Forum, cheer up!

[josh]

I am not comforted, though it's nice to see that "Deb" is. (And I hate listening to the misogynistic pig call her that.)


After reading you the last few weeks we can't judge anything by your negativity - sorry.  It's just neverending.

For life is quite absurd
And death's the final word
You must always face the curtain with a bow
Forget about your sin
Give the audience a grin
Enjoy it, it's your last chance anyhow

So, always look on the bright side of death
A-just before you draw your terminal breath

Life's a piece of shit
When you look at it
Life's a laugh and death's a joke, it's true
You'll see it's all a show
Keep 'em laughing as you go
Just remember that the last laugh is on you

And always look on the bright side of life
Always look on the right side of life
<whistle>

C'mon Forum, cheer up!

"Peter!"
...
"Peter!"

Hearing his master's voice, Peter scrambled from where he had been hiding to the top of the hill where he found Jesus, on the cross, calling to him. He made himself known.

"Peter!"

"Yes, my lord?"

"Peter, I can see your house from here!"

[josh]

This is what I am hoping we can avoid - not just the numbers, though those are bad enough, but the kind of abrupt death that September 2018 brought.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2862337/

[facilitatorn]

It’s unavoidable as long as bog standard morons like Red and Kid stand by the personal crimes against humanity they’ve committed by supporting the imposter and his failing programs.

[LarryBnDC]

This motherfucker is trying to get us killed!

https://twitter.com/bad_takes/status/1243356330951204864?s=21

[kiidcarter8]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/marybethpfeiffer/2020/03/22/one-patient-dodges-a-covid-bullet-is-she-a-harbinger-or-outlier/#ab7a9dd5b843

[josh]

This motherfucker is trying to get us killed!

https://twitter.com/bad_takes/status/1243356330951204864?s=21

This motherfucker is trying to get us killed! Part 2

"Why. Isnt. Trump. Ordering. Companies. To. Make. The. Fucking. Ventilators?"

Conservative acquaintances, following the president himself, told us that the companies were doing it all on their own. Somehow, apparently, they would make the ventilators needed in a miraculously short period of time without the shoring up of start-up capital from the government. All the states and cities would get what they need through supply chains from various companies that weren't centralized. The bidding wars between states are just the free market at work and the Invisible Hand will provide the miracle of the perfect amount of ventilators needed.

But actually, the president has now made clear it's not going to be as much of a miracle as that answer made it sound like initially. Actually, he said, you don't need 30,000 ventilators. You need far less. After all, he noted as his proof, major hospitals sometimes don''t have more than two ventilators.

Governor Cuomo, according to the president, is just plain wrong about how many ventilators we're going to need. The president has determined we're not going to need that many. So the companies will just produce the amount that Trump believes we need, which isn't as much as anybody who knows anything thinks we need. So it makes sense that righties think the companies will get it done themselves and that Trump didn't need to order them to do any of this two months ago. After all, according to conservatives, the companies will get the needed amount of ventilators to the right places all on their own.

[facilitatorn]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/marybethpfeiffer/2020/03/22/one-patient-dodges-a-covid-bullet-is-she-a-harbinger-or-outlier/#ab7a9dd5b843

Kid has realized that he can no longer say that the pimp who turned him out, donald “bone spurs” trump, hasn’t driven the car off the cliff. Now he’s testing the idea that the car is about to grow wings, so no harm no foul.

You’re such a precious poodle Kid, bust still as always no one wants your shit.

[josh]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/marybethpfeiffer/2020/03/22/one-patient-dodges-a-covid-bullet-is-she-a-harbinger-or-outlier/#ab7a9dd5b843

Very cool for her. And I would guess that she is neither harbinger nor outlier. This is the key sentence, to me:

The just-released French study reported that 70 percent of hydroxychloroquine-treated patients, or 14 of 20, were negative for the virus at day 6, as were all six patients who were treated with hydroxychloroquine and the antibiotic azithromycin (which Novins also received).

She was being treated for pneumonia. The Z-pack kills pneumonia, depending very much on the type of pneumonia at issue. We don't know what type because the article doesn't share that data.

If it was viral pneumonia, then the Z-pack should not have done anything about it. If it was bacterial, then most of the time the Z-pack would kill it in 3-7 days.

Curious, yes. Not knowing.

And also if that hospital is doing that consistently, where are the other stories from them?

So... the 36 person study (20 getting meds, 16 getting placebos) results were promising, but they did not include any serious cases and neither will the next studies from those folks. Further, their next study is being delayed, as is Eli Lilly's study. Troubling - not because of anything wrong with the meds, but because of the impact the delay will have on beating back the pandemic if the meds are effective.

https://www.clinicaltrialsarena.com/news/pfizer-data-azithromycin-covid-19-trial/

[facilitatorn]

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/25/donald-trump-coronavirus-response-richard-wolffe

[josh]

Herein lies the crux of the problem:

President Trump does not understand or accept science. It is the same problem we had when he wanted us to just use flu vaccines, since we didn't have one for this virus. Or when he thought perhaps we could nuke a hurricane.

He's not unique in having these ideas and he is not unique in thinking he understands things better than the experts - but because he is the President of the United States, his belief that he knows better than the experts is a major problem.
Yesterday, that manifested in his decided that NY and Governor Cuomo are lying or wrong or something when they say they need so many ventilators.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/489789-trump-questions-need-for-30000-ventilators-in-new-york?jwsource=cl

The president phoned into Sean Hannity's show on Fox News, where he swiped at the governors of Michigan and Washington state and cast doubt on the need for mass ventilator production to meet the demand of certain states.

"I have a feeling that a lot of the numbers that are being said in some areas are just bigger than they’re going to be," Trump said on "Hannity."

"I don’t believe you need 40,000 or 30,000 ventilators. You know, you go into major hospitals, sometimes they’ll have two ventilators. And now all of a sudden they're saying, 'can we order 30,000 ventilators?'"

"Look, it’s a bad situation," he added. "We haven’t seen anything like it. But the end result is we have to get back to work and I think we can start by opening up certain parts of the country."

The president compared purchasing a ventilator to purchasing a car, calling the machines "very expensive" and "very intricate."

"And you know they’d say, like Gov. Cuomo and others, they’d say we want 30,000 of them. Thirty thousand?" Trump said. "Think of this, you know you go to hospitals that have one in a hospital and now all of a sudden everyone’s asking for these vast numbers."

The numbers of people needing ventillators is far higher than usual. (And it is not like they are asking for 30,000 in that hospital that had one, anyway!)  FAR higher.

The length of time that a COVID-19 patient will need a ventillator is up to 11 days versus the 3 or maybe 4 days for a regular flu patient. That means that while one ventillator might have served 3 flu patients, it won't do it for COVID-19.
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And if he has his way and the restrictions are pulled back, what is already looking like an overwhelmed medical system will drown in patients.

(Kid, this is not my negativity - this is the medical community's consensus. That is, among the virologists, the infectious disease specialists, and the epidemiologists, it is there consensus. The thoracic surgeons, the OB/Gyns, and the dermatologists may disagree with them, but their opinions are worth a small container of warm piss.)

[josh]

NETEC was the National Ebola Training and Education Center. They have changed their name to the National Emerging Special Pathogen Training and Education Center, to serve beyond Ebola. The slide below is from their presentation about a month ago.