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What do you expect on Wednesday?

Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.
- 5 (45.5%)
A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.
- 5 (45.5%)
A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.
- 0 (0%)
More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.
- 0 (0%)
A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.
- 1 (9.1%)
More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.
- 0 (0%)
DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.
- 0 (0%)
Huge disruption to the day.
- 0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM


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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #43485 on: July 19, 2020, 02:16:15 AM »

Preparation: F
this includes both before 2020 and post-virus, especially the botched testing and largely nothing of use which occurred in Jan & Feb

Testing: F
the initial botched CDC test wasted precious weeks.  Results have frequently been delayed beyond usefulness, both early on and recently.  US was doing roughly half the testing necessary to identify and control the virus.  Shortages of reagents and test kits.

PPE and Equipment:  D
Shortages throughout.  I upped the grade from an F, because field hospitals were readied in NYC, the navy hospital ships were brought in place (though misused initially and then not needed), and Trump did force/persuade companies to build ventilators (though belatedly).  So this was mostly a disaster, with some effort to help.  I think the story on masks and gloves is China got the all clear and started selling its medical products to the US.

Public Relations/Information: F -
Lying about the need for face masks.
Trump persistently downplaying the virus (which might go away any minute now!)
Touting unproven drugs.
Trump's daily stand-up routine/COVID info briefings (they weren't brief or informative)
Undermining the directive to wear masks.   Disparaging masks.
Misinformation aplenty.

Organization:  F-
Abandoning the federal role in disaster management and letting states fend for themselves and compete for necessary items.
Sidelining the CDC, disparaging WHO, Jared in charge (not really/maybe),
Undermining Fauci
Finally, Pence took over, but he keeps putting out bald-faced lies to support the admin's failures.

Overall Strategy: F
No Coordinated National Strategy -- that alone earns the Trump Admin an F.
A 2 month lockdown and $0.60 face masks were all that was needed. 
I'm still not even sure what the Trump strategy is/was - hope it goes away(?)
But the numbers of infected and dead don't lie.
A huge secondary outbreak throughout the nation after NYC was contained.

Trump criticized lockdowns (which were mostly halfway measures and not strict enough), then called for early reopenings when guidelines weren't met and cases weren't down enough, now wants schools to reopen amidst a raging pandemic.
 Almost anything useful or positive Trump did came way late.

Just poor decisions across the board, an immense failure to understand and effectively confront the epidemic, and a focus on reopening the economy and salvaging Trump's reelection over health and safety. 
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #43486 on: July 19, 2020, 02:42:49 AM »

Unlike Kiid, Bo grasps the whole rubric thing & can even apply it.

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« Reply #43488 on: July 19, 2020, 03:01:23 AM »

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #43489 on: July 19, 2020, 05:28:33 AM »

http://www.vox.com/21322478/joe-biden-overton-window-bidenism

Better days lie ahead if we make them.

Keep marching, even after the election, and vote!

(That’s the first Wednesday in December for Red & Kiid)
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #43490 on: July 19, 2020, 10:06:48 AM »

This is commentary on one of the charts in the article that Fac posted a few hours ago. Interesting piece!

Look at the numbers for Whites 18-49.

Look. too, at the balance between "spend less" and "spend more" among self-described Democratic Party conservatives/moderates.

This is a sea change in attitudes, brought about through a combination of time and the actions of our police being increasingly visible across the political spectrum. It is no surprise that they would be among the subgroups most wanting to see increases in spending on police, but that they are less so than Blacks or Hispanics is amazing. Ditto seeing the Whites above 50 in aggregate looking to spend less more ahead of those seeking to spend more is just not what we've been used to seeing or hearing in years past.

Yes, the "stay about the same" contingent remains substantial and even a plurality in some of the groups, but even those numbers represent a shift. Trump wishes to run a "Law and Order" campaign, but the issues are not exactly what he seems to think they are.

And this is without getting into the percentage who want police reforms, even as they don't wish to change the funding.

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #43491 on: July 19, 2020, 10:26:12 AM »

https://apnews.com/5ede767e136d846bdd06700f11ca51f2?fbclid=IwAR0apl151fS8sXJCOtUkx3VrPolw7fbUF0jvYew0a6xzoDD3GGG8jO-cq80

   Pompeo says US should limit which human rights it defends                   

I'm going to miss this cabinet and all its weird cultists. 
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #43492 on: July 19, 2020, 10:28:32 AM »

https://apnews.com/5ede767e136d846bdd06700f11ca51f2?fbclid=IwAR0apl151fS8sXJCOtUkx3VrPolw7fbUF0jvYew0a6xzoDD3GGG8jO-cq80

   Pompeo says US should limit which human rights it defends                   

I'm going to miss this cabinet and all its weird cultists.

I used to have a couple friends who were a couple... but not always doing well.

And she would say to him, "I wish you'd go away so I could miss you."

I would like the chance to miss a lot of these guys sooner than January. (And I pray that I get to start missing them then!)
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #43493 on: July 19, 2020, 11:27:10 AM »

The Trump interview with  Chris Wallace was must see TV. Wallace did a decent job playing it fair and balanced, exposing the inept petty clown. The exchange about the test was both hilarious and terrifying.
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« Reply #43494 on: July 19, 2020, 12:01:02 PM »

The President doesn't have early signs of dementia. The President has been and remains an abject moron. Without even addressing his be pettiness, his cruelty and his crudeness, he is first and foremost an incredibly stupid human being
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #43495 on: July 19, 2020, 12:03:29 PM »

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/10/20-1315_article

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We detected COVID-19 in 11.8% of household contacts; rates were higher for contacts of children than adults. These risks largely reflected transmission in the middle of mitigation and therefore might characterize transmission dynamics during school closure (3). Higher household than nonhousehold detection might partly reflect transmission during social distancing, when family members largely stayed home except to perform essential tasks, possibly creating spread within the household.
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We also found the highest COVID-19 rate (18.6% [95% CI 14.0%–24.0%]) for household contacts of school-aged children and the lowest (5.3% [95% CI 1.3%–13.7%]) for household contacts of children 0–9 years in the middle of school closure.

Transmission among the 10-19 year old population was higher than the under 10 population's transmission, but was substantial in and of itself.

Again, this is a pre-publication article, though this one has been accepted and scheduled for publication. The article itself includes a lengthy caveats section detailing (at least some of) its weaknesses.

But it is pretty clear that its findings indicate that even the 0-9 year olds transmit the coronavirus, plus the 10-19s pass it along quite a bit.
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« Reply #43496 on: July 19, 2020, 12:11:51 PM »

The President doesn't have early signs of dementia. The President has been and remains an abject moron. Without even addressing his be pettiness, his cruelty and his crudeness, he is first and foremost an incredibly stupid human being

Saw some quotes from the interview (really didn't want to watch) and can easily imagine him utterly stymied at counting back from a hundred by sevens.   His refusal to committing to accepting the November election results was unsurprising - I liked the Biden campaign response to that:

"The American people will decide this election. And the United States government is perfectly capable of escorting trespassers out of the White House.”
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #43497 on: July 19, 2020, 12:45:03 PM »

The President doesn't have early signs of dementia. The President has been and remains an abject moron. Without even addressing his be pettiness, his cruelty and his crudeness, he is first and foremost an incredibly stupid human being

Saw some quotes from the interview (really didn't want to watch) and can easily imagine him utterly stymied at counting back from a hundred by sevens.   His refusal to committing to accepting the November election results was unsurprising - I liked the Biden campaign response to that:

"The American people will decide this election. And the United States government is perfectly capable of escorting trespassers out of the White House.”

This is Wallace and Trump on Trump's claim that Biden wants to defund and abolish the police:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/18/media/chris-wallace-trump-fact-check-fox/index.html

Wallace was direct and contradicted Trump. I hope the Fox-watchers can hear it, though I am not holding my breath.

Any moment now, Kid will pop in here and claim Biden wants to abolish the police. And, besides, Trump is right -- the virus will vanish eventually! B+!
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #43498 on: July 19, 2020, 01:10:27 PM »

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/19/politics/coronavirus-stimulus-negotiations-white-house/index.html

The additional stimulus package negotiations will "start in earnest" on Monday, said Trump's Chief of Staff.

WTF has he been doing before this? Waiting for the unemployment package to end to ensure greater suffering?!

Golfing. ("exercising").
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« Reply #43499 on: July 19, 2020, 01:25:36 PM »

The key statistical epidemiology concept in the next few weeks will be the lagging indicator.

I predict the stooges will fail to grasp it.   

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