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Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.

5 (45.5%)

A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.

5 (45.5%)

A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.

0 (0%)

More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.

0 (0%)

A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.

1 (9.1%)

More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.

0 (0%)

DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.

0 (0%)

Huge disruption to the day.

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM

[Hamilton Samuels]

Made It Wrong:
https://www.nola.com/entertainment_life/article_7a6e2f0e-08e9-11eb-bc5a-57d04715e5a1.html

[Hamilton Samuels]

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2029812

Trump Virus and Dodge City's Leadership Vacuum leads the Editors the New England Journal of Medicine to write this:

Why has the United States handled this pandemic so badly? We have failed at almost every step. We had ample warning, but when the disease first arrived, we were incapable of testing effectively and couldn’t provide even the most basic personal protective equipment to health care workers and the general public. And we continue to be way behind the curve in testing. While the absolute numbers of tests have increased substantially, the more useful metric is the number of tests performed per infected person, a rate that puts us far down the international list, below such places as Kazakhstan, Zimbabwe, and Ethiopia, countries that cannot boast the biomedical infrastructure or the manufacturing capacity that we have.2 Moreover, a lack of emphasis on developing capacity has meant that U.S. test results are often long delayed, rendering the results useless for disease control.

Although we tend to focus on technology, most of the interventions that have large effects are not complicated. The United States instituted quarantine and isolation measures late and inconsistently, often without any effort to enforce them, after the disease had spread substantially in many communities. Our rules on social distancing have in many places been lackadaisical at best, with loosening of restrictions long before adequate disease control had been achieved. And in much of the country, people simply don’t wear masks, largely because our leaders have stated outright that masks are political tools rather than effective infection control measures. The government has appropriately invested heavily in vaccine development, but its rhetoric has politicized the development process and led to growing public distrust.

The United States came into this crisis with enormous advantages. Along with tremendous manufacturing capacity, we have a biomedical research system that is the envy of the world. We have enormous expertise in public health, health policy, and basic biology and have consistently been able to turn that expertise into new therapies and preventive measures. And much of that national expertise resides in government institutions. Yet our leaders have largely chosen to ignore and even denigrate experts...

Anyone else who recklessly squandered lives and money in this way would be suffering legal consequences. Our leaders have largely claimed immunity for their actions. But this election gives us the power to render judgment. Reasonable people will certainly disagree about the many political positions taken by candidates. But truth is neither liberal nor conservative. When it comes to the response to the largest public health crisis of our time, our current political leaders have demonstrated that they are dangerously incompetent. We should not abet them and enable the deaths of thousands more Americans by allowing them to keep their jobs.


Serious ass-kicking by those docs!

[josh]

Mike Pence still has not caught up to Belloq from Indiana Jones:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvQWnVAPl1U

[kidcarter8]

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/518600-biden-holds-narrow-lead-over-trump-ahead-of-first-debate-poll

Awaiting the next Harvard CAPS Harris poll.  And the IBD/TIPP which had their latest at +3 plus Monmouth which was Biden +5

[kidcarter8]

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2029812

Trump Virus and Dodge City's Leadership Vacuum leads the Editors the New England Journal of Medicine to write this:

Why has the United States handled this pandemic so badly? We have failed at almost every step. We had ample warning, but when the disease first arrived, we were incapable of testing effectively and couldn’t provide even the most basic personal protective equipment to health care workers and the general public. And we continue to be way behind the curve in testing. While the absolute numbers of tests have increased substantially, the more useful metric is the number of tests performed per infected person, a rate that puts us far down the international list, below such places as Kazakhstan, Zimbabwe, and Ethiopia, countries that cannot boast the biomedical infrastructure or the manufacturing capacity that we have.2 Moreover, a lack of emphasis on developing capacity has meant that U.S. test results are often long delayed, rendering the results useless for disease control.

Although we tend to focus on technology, most of the interventions that have large effects are not complicated. The United States instituted quarantine and isolation measures late and inconsistently, often without any effort to enforce them, after the disease had spread substantially in many communities. Our rules on social distancing have in many places been lackadaisical at best, with loosening of restrictions long before adequate disease control had been achieved. And in much of the country, people simply don’t wear masks, largely because our leaders have stated outright that masks are political tools rather than effective infection control measures. The government has appropriately invested heavily in vaccine development, but its rhetoric has politicized the development process and led to growing public distrust.

The United States came into this crisis with enormous advantages. Along with tremendous manufacturing capacity, we have a biomedical research system that is the envy of the world. We have enormous expertise in public health, health policy, and basic biology and have consistently been able to turn that expertise into new therapies and preventive measures. And much of that national expertise resides in government institutions. Yet our leaders have largely chosen to ignore and even denigrate experts...

Anyone else who recklessly squandered lives and money in this way would be suffering legal consequences. Our leaders have largely claimed immunity for their actions. But this election gives us the power to render judgment. Reasonable people will certainly disagree about the many political positions taken by candidates. But truth is neither liberal nor conservative. When it comes to the response to the largest public health crisis of our time, our current political leaders have demonstrated that they are dangerously incompetent. We should not abet them and enable the deaths of thousands more Americans by allowing them to keep their jobs.


Serious ass-kicking by those docs!

They aren't big on civil liberties

[bodiddley]

The freedom to get sick and die.
The liberty to infect others.

Important fundamental rights ...

[barton]

In a real political forum,  where you have honest discussion of issues rather than just defusing shitbombs lobbed in by hyperpartisan trolls,  I could see this being a good time to talk about how freedom is defined,  and how the Social Contract affects absolute freedom.   Only a solitary Hunter-gatherer can do whatever they want... and they pay the price of no constraints in terms of danger,  possible starvation,  loneliness,  and having life stripped down to bare survival mode.   The rest of us face constraints,  for the sake of the community good and buffers against danger.   America has a disturbing large number of ignorant toddlers who have never understood conditional freedom. 

[barton]

Mike Pence still has not caught up to Belloq from Indiana Jones:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvQWnVAPl1U

Paul Freeman revealed that some frames were cut,  in order to make it look like his character had eaten the fly.   If you slow advance it,  you can see the jerk where they cut the frames and removed the fly's takeoff from his face.   

Mikey is too mediocre a villain to eat a fly.

[josh]

https://twitter.com/PeteButtigieg/status/1314212949255319556?s=09&fbclid=IwAR3Mm7WxTJg5BcbVeNjOl-8zGXBssoUiOwah1OyZIfXWWpvLTBIUCMXJZ_Q

In response to Trump's fear of the proposed 2nd debate format being virtual.

[josh]

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2029812

Trump Virus and Dodge City's Leadership Vacuum leads the Editors the New England Journal of Medicine to write this:

Why has the United States handled this pandemic so badly? We have failed at almost every step. We had ample warning, but when the disease first arrived, we were incapable of testing effectively and couldn’t provide even the most basic personal protective equipment to health care workers and the general public. And we continue to be way behind the curve in testing. While the absolute numbers of tests have increased substantially, the more useful metric is the number of tests performed per infected person, a rate that puts us far down the international list, below such places as Kazakhstan, Zimbabwe, and Ethiopia, countries that cannot boast the biomedical infrastructure or the manufacturing capacity that we have.2 Moreover, a lack of emphasis on developing capacity has meant that U.S. test results are often long delayed, rendering the results useless for disease control.

Although we tend to focus on technology, most of the interventions that have large effects are not complicated. The United States instituted quarantine and isolation measures late and inconsistently, often without any effort to enforce them, after the disease had spread substantially in many communities. Our rules on social distancing have in many places been lackadaisical at best, with loosening of restrictions long before adequate disease control had been achieved. And in much of the country, people simply don’t wear masks, largely because our leaders have stated outright that masks are political tools rather than effective infection control measures. The government has appropriately invested heavily in vaccine development, but its rhetoric has politicized the development process and led to growing public distrust.

The United States came into this crisis with enormous advantages. Along with tremendous manufacturing capacity, we have a biomedical research system that is the envy of the world. We have enormous expertise in public health, health policy, and basic biology and have consistently been able to turn that expertise into new therapies and preventive measures. And much of that national expertise resides in government institutions. Yet our leaders have largely chosen to ignore and even denigrate experts...

Anyone else who recklessly squandered lives and money in this way would be suffering legal consequences. Our leaders have largely claimed immunity for their actions. But this election gives us the power to render judgment. Reasonable people will certainly disagree about the many political positions taken by candidates. But truth is neither liberal nor conservative. When it comes to the response to the largest public health crisis of our time, our current political leaders have demonstrated that they are dangerously incompetent. We should not abet them and enable the deaths of thousands more Americans by allowing them to keep their jobs.


Serious ass-kicking by those docs!

They aren't big on civil liberties

You can't read or think.

[barton]

That fly thing...as it happened,  the sigboth and I were watching in my office and there was an actual fly buzzing around which would periodically land on the screen.   At one point,  it was walking over Kamala's face,  and I gallantly leaned forward and shooed it off.   So when a fly appeared on Pence it took us a second to realize it wasn't the same one.   "That's actually on Pence, " said sigboth.   I added that,  had it been our home fly,  I wouldn't have bothered to shoo it.   

[josh]

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/518600-biden-holds-narrow-lead-over-trump-ahead-of-first-debate-poll

Awaiting the next Harvard CAPS Harris poll.  And the IBD/TIPP which had their latest at +3 plus Monmouth which was Biden +5

Of course you are. You only want the news that agrees with your point of view or is close to it.

Harvard/Harris is roughly monthly, so you may have a bit of a wait. Not sure what Monmouth's plan is. IBD says you have to wait until Monday.

"The initial 2020 IBD/TIPP Presidential Tracking Poll will be published Monday, October 12, with daily releases at 9 a.m. ET."

[josh]

In a real political forum,  where you have honest discussion of issues rather than just defusing shitbombs lobbed in by hyperpartisan trolls,  I could see this being a good time to talk about how freedom is defined,  and how the Social Contract affects absolute freedom.   Only a solitary Hunter-gatherer can do whatever they want... and they pay the price of no constraints in terms of danger,  possible starvation,  loneliness,  and having life stripped down to bare survival mode.   The rest of us face constraints,  for the sake of the community good and buffers against danger.   America has a disturbing large number of ignorant toddlers who have never understood conditional freedom.

No reason we can't have that discussion, Barton.

One of the fairly regular arguments is that society increases some freedoms, while restricting others, rather than solely restricting them - or at least that it has the potential to do that.

There are three primary constraints on the hunter/gatherer as I was taught it: environment, health, and other people. The first two align with your danger/starvation. The third one is not about loneliness, but competition for those scarce resources.

OTOH, we have sufficient evidence of barter for better tools for those hunter/gatherers to suggest that the "constraints" of society go back a ton further than anything that resembles most of today's world.

[josh]

Now on Ebay:

[josh]

OTOH, Kid, you should expect RCP to add the Morning Consult poll they've ignored since April, as it will pull the average down a hair.