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What do you expect on Wednesday?

Reports of protests are overblown. A few incidents around the country, but nothing major.
- 5 (45.5%)
A few major incidents in capitals, but nothing much in DC.
- 5 (45.5%)
A major incident in DC, but nothing much around the country.
- 0 (0%)
More than 10 capitals have major upheavals, but nothing much in DC.
- 0 (0%)
A major incident in DC plus more than 10 capitals with significant upheavals.
- 1 (9.1%)
More than half the capitals around the country have problems with protesters, but DC is quiet.
- 0 (0%)
DC has major problems, while more than half the capitals around the country also have considerable trouble with protesters.
- 0 (0%)
Huge disruption to the day.
- 0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: January 19, 2021, 10:49:21 PM


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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #36360 on: June 03, 2020, 04:45:50 AM »

13 dead already..including a retired Black cop.
Thousands just ignoring the curfews.
Anarchy rules, states have lost the streets.
Protesters are running the country.
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« Reply #36361 on: June 03, 2020, 05:28:11 AM »

More journalists injured covering George Floyd protests

Biden should speak up against police attacks on journalists.
Many identifying themselves as journalists and showing credentials are met with the police response, We don't care, and then police aggression and violence.  Pepper spray to the face, rubber bullets (which can kill), tear gas, batons, thrown to the ground, arrested, etc.

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“They started deliberately attacking journalists who were clearly identifiable and identifying themselves as journalists,” Shelley said. “We’ve heard a number of instances of police officers, either through their words or actions, saying that they just didn’t care. To be a journalist in the Twin Cities last night, particularly in Minneapolis, if you were just arrested, you were lucky.”

This ties in with Trump's disdainful approach that The press is the enemy of the people, a statement totally antithetical to democracy and a decently run country.

Police deliberately using violence on journalists is a low point for democracy. 
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« Reply #36362 on: June 03, 2020, 06:39:04 AM »

Drug Prohibition is America is also a big part of the problem.  When you criminalize the non-violent, private, victimless behavior of a large % of the population, no one should be surprised that the police become the enemy, feared and disrespected.  And the police suddenly have the right to stop and harass citizens at will (we smelled marijuana in the car, etc).  Not to mention the resulting police corruption, as police get involved in the lucrative, because illegal, drug business.  The large number of citizens who get arrested, get criminal record,s get prison time or probation due to unnecessary and detrimental drug laws.

I always ask why someone can't take heroin or cocaine if that's their choice?  Plenty of lives are ruined by alcohol, hell, even by overeating.  There's this perverse logic of we want people to be productive citizens, so if they use illegal hard drugs, we'll lock them up in jail where they can't be productive citizens (and cost the taxpayers lots of money).

Ending the massively failed Drug Prohibition would reduce the need for so many police, would reduce police incidents, would reduce drug related violence and take money away from criminal and criminal gangs.  Also, make drugs safer and more standardized.  The money saved on policing and court time could be redirected towards drug rehab centers and public service messages about the harms of drugs.
Etc.

When a policy has failed so spectacularly for half a century, and been so massively expensive in terms of money wasted and lives harmed for so long, maybe it's worth trying a different approach in which huge numbers of people aren't thrown in jail and over-policing isn't a fact of everyday life.  Police can get back to dealing with genuine crimes and gaining respect for helping instead of harming communities.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #36364 on: June 03, 2020, 10:32:44 AM »

Why did the chicken cross the road?

To pose for a photo op in front of the St. John's Episcopal Church.

Ha!

How many federal troops does it take to protect a lightbulb?   

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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #36365 on: June 03, 2020, 11:01:34 AM »

The good people of Iowa decided that Steve King is not a Shining example,  took The Stand they needed to take,  and he did not Carrie the district.   
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« Reply #36366 on: June 03, 2020, 11:02:49 AM »

Very good Anne Applebaum article.
Thx for that linkage.
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« Reply #36367 on: June 03, 2020, 11:04:00 AM »

A small bit of good news.....Stephen King (Iowa-R) lost his primary.  The good people of Iowa got fed up or they found someone worse?
If such a thing is possible.
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« Reply #36368 on: June 03, 2020, 11:12:26 AM »

These observations, from Rosa Brooks at the Washington Post, may be relevant here. I've taken clips, since the Post remains a paywall site....



Trump’s bellicose rhetoric often precedes actions that are less draconian than his initial language would suggest, but this time, his threats may not be empty. Just look at the actions of federalized D.C. National Guard units operating alongside U.S. Park Police on Monday. These guard troops and their law enforcement colleagues weren’t quelling a riot or preventing a violent assault; instead, they were ordered to clear Lafayette Square so Trump could pose for a photo op in front of historic St. John’s Church. They did so with little restraint, and on Attorney General William P. Barr’s orders, using tear gas, flash grenades and rubber bullets to clear a path for the president and his Bible.

The same evening, a military helicopter with U.S. Army markings flew down to street level in the District’s Chinatown neighborhood, forcing frightened protesters to disperse. Meanwhile, reports suggest that units from the Army’s 82nd Airborne Division have already been activated and sent to the Washington area, along with units from the 10th Mountain Division and 1st Infantry Division....


No responsible citizens support looting or violence, regardless of the legitimacy of the underlying grievances — but deploying active-duty federal troops to American cities is still a stunning step. As former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Martin Dempsey tweeted after Trump’s announcement: “America is not a battleground. Our fellow citizens are not the enemy.”

Worse, Trump appears to be deploying combat units, not soldiers with expertise in law enforcement or nonviolent crowd control. Placing soldiers more used to Afghanistan, Syria and Iraq on American streets filled with angry, distraught protesters is an incendiary move — and one likely to end in tragedy...


It’s a situation fraught with terrible ironies. Most obviously, here in America, the “land of the free,” we’re well accustomed to condemning repression when we see it abroad. For instance, when the Polish government responded to the emerging Solidarity movement with violent crackdowns, President Ronald Reagan spoke out: The Polish government, he wrote, has “answered the stirrings of liberty with brute force. … How can they possibly justify using naked force to crush a people who ask for nothing more than the right to lead their own lives in freedom and dignity?” In 2015, when Burmese police used batons and fists against student protesters, President Barack Obama’s State Department issued a statement “condemn[ing] the use of force against peaceful protesters.”
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But there’s an even deeper and more painful irony. This isn’t the first time an American president has invoked the Insurrection Act over the strenuous objections of state and local officials — but the last time, the law was invoked to further the cause of racial justice, not hinder it.

In 1957, when nine black students attempted to enter an all-white school in Little Rock pursuant to a federal court order, then-Gov. Orville Faubus sent troops from the Arkansas National Guard to block them. With state troops under the command of a governor openly defying an order of the federal courts, writes legal historian William Banks, President Dwight D. Eisenhower scribbled his thoughts in a handwritten note: Standing by “in the face of organized or locally undeterred opposition by violence” would, he feared, cause “the entire court system [to] disintegrate” and lead to “the destruction of our form of gov’t.” Reluctantly, he invoked the Insurrection Act the next day, and soldiers from the Army’s 101st Airborne Division formed a protective cordon to allow the nine black students to walk safely to class...


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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #36369 on: June 03, 2020, 12:36:49 PM »

It is important to show show respect for Mr. Floyd and to demand changes, but congregating in mass with no masks puts everyone at risk. If the c19 spikes and another 100,000 die, not good.

 In contrast the Vietnam era rioting had no pandemic backdrop. They were drafting young people to continue fighting and dying in an immoral, illogical conflict and in the aftermath of demonstrations poof the warmonger LBJ was gone.
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Re: Trump Administration
« Reply #36370 on: June 03, 2020, 12:45:49 PM »

I've worried about the protests spreading the virus.  Seems folks are masked at many protests, though maybe that's due to ID protection and tear gas , as much as COVID-19.

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« Reply #36371 on: June 03, 2020, 12:50:13 PM »

What a piece of work this Trumps asshole is:

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President Donald Trump sought to explain his presence in an underground White House bunker during clashes outside the residence on Friday as an "inspection," rather than a retreat for his own safety, telling a radio interviewer Wednesday he was only in the safe room for a "tiny" amount of time.

"They said it would be a good time to go down and take a look because maybe sometime you're going to need it," Trump said, casting the episode as an appraisal of his security logistics rather than an emergency.
Multiple people familiar with the matter described a different scenario to CNN. They said Trump was rushed to the bunker for nearly an hour amid intense protests on Friday evening.

Reportedly he was down there for an hour with his family during the protests.

The article also said Trump was enraged by the bunker story, thought it made him look weak, and led directly to him deciding to go out in public (which led to tear-gassing peaceful 1st Amendment exercisers).

Trump also counter-factually stated:
"The church leaders loved that I went there with the Bible," Trump said.
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« Reply #36372 on: June 03, 2020, 01:01:02 PM »

What a piece of work this Trumps asshole is:

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President Donald Trump sought to explain his presence in an underground White House bunker during clashes outside the residence on Friday as an "inspection," rather than a retreat for his own safety, telling a radio interviewer Wednesday he was only in the safe room for a "tiny" amount of time.

"They said it would be a good time to go down and take a look because maybe sometime you're going to need it," Trump said, casting the episode as an appraisal of his security logistics rather than an emergency.
Multiple people familiar with the matter described a different scenario to CNN. They said Trump was rushed to the bunker for nearly an hour amid intense protests on Friday evening.

Reportedly he was down there of ran hour with his family during the protests.

The article also was enraged by the bunker story, thought it made him look weak, and led directly to him deciding to go out in public (which led to tear-gassing peaceful 1st Amendment exercisers).

Trump also counter-factually stated:
"The church leaders loved that I went there with the Bible," Trump said.
I believe his "just inspecting" line as much as Rose believed the same excuse from Finn.
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