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Voting closed: June 13, 2022, 11:38:11 PM

[carlos123]

This is among the least professional iteration of a Knicks team I have ever had the displeasure to watch.

It is getting very close to coach on the hot seat time again.

Mark of a bad team, throwing the game away at closing time 🙀

[bodiddley]

Btw, after the 5 game West Coast swing, Knix play 4 at Home, v. OKC & BKY.
** All Star Break **
MIA - PHI - @ PHI - @ PHX
So a month of tough games.

Thibs had a group of strangers and journeymen playing high-level D last year.
Then we swapped D for O.

Thibs has had a very coherent, effortvescent bench.
(Knick bench ranked 3rd this year).

Thibs has been developing yute.
RJB is expanding his game and presence.
IQ demands attention.  ObiT showing some flashes but still stuck behind Randle.
Grimes looking solid.  Sims has had some strong games.
Looking forward to integrating RedCam into the fold.

On the other side of the ledger: 
- heavy minutes wears guys out
- the Kemba situation was farcical
- too much isolation and incoherence on O
- uses his Challenge at odd early times instead of saving it for key end game moments
- too willing to play without a PG (imo)

[lesterluv]

RJ looked sick last night, at times completely out of it, a shame, as it certainly helped waste magnificent Randle and Fornier games, ah well.. maybe it is the minutes.

[lesterluv]

Hamsters? We talking about mFN hamsters?
Hide yer Hamsters!


https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/18/asia/hong-kong-covid-cull-hamsters-intl-hnk/index.html
https://www.reuters.com/markets/asia/china-plays-lonely-game-covid-whack-a-hamster-2022-01-19/

But how about that impressive zero percent mortality rate, lol....

https://www.forbes.com/sites/georgecalhoun/2022/01/17/chinas-manipulation-of-covid-data--the-two-smoking-guns/?sh=973295932f3e

Tens of thousands of officially reported Covid cases throughout China (since April 2020) that have not resulted in a single death attributed to Covid?

[lesterluv]

[lesterluv]

[lesterluv]

[Kam]

Then refs called a foul on Randle's pass out, negating a corner 3 which woulda put the Knix up 1 with 24 secs left.  Instead Randle goes 1-2 FT and Knix down 1 and Minny has the ball.

Here is where the NBA is inconsistent.   They don't always blow a whistle on a 24 second violation if the team that was defending the possession winds up with the ball and momentum.  When you have possession of the ball you de-facto decline the penalty.    SO why do they allow baskets to be negated on passing fouls when the foul hurts the team with the ball?   I'd like to see this corrected as this makes the end of games far less satisfying regardless of outcome.  Don't let the referees determine the winner by rewarding a team for committing a penalty.

[carlos123]

Right on, Kamster the great 🐹
👍

PS. Les made me do it, after all his hamster posts. But I do agree with Kamster.

[bodiddley]

Usually the refs won't call a minor foul on the pass, if the pass isn't affected (ie if Randle gets hacked or bumped and then throws the pass out of bounds, then the foul call is made).
But there are a lot of new refs these days, many G-leaguered without a lot of experience.

But rewarding a team for committing a penalty is a theme this season, with a plague of take-fouls eliminating perhaps half of the fast breaks.

Forgot to mention an old fave of mine has bounced back from hard times.
Stan Johnson had a terrific game v. U-JAzz.
15 - 5 - 3 with a steal and block in 25 mins.  Was playing a nice game and then dominated the 4Q on both ends.  10 4Q points including eluding Gobert.  And was Lakes best defender.
Had a pretty assist hitting a cutter late 3Q.
Not bad when a guy on a 10-day contract scores 10 in the 4Q and plays stellar D.
StanJohn is just 25, and should have played more than one year of college hoops.
Stan got 5 starts last week, and I can't imagine lakes will cut him, as they need more defenders than just A Very Bradley and some LeBJ flashbacks.

Early in their rook season, I quite liked Stan John, MyTurn and Uber to have strong careers.
All of them have had some struggles, with the latter two mostly solid.
#2 pick that year Tangelo had a rather blah game v. Los Knix.
Popped in a few 3's, had a few sloppy plays on both ends, barely played 4Q.

2015 draft was weak, with arguably 7 of the Top 10 busts (KAT, Tangelo & KZ the exceptions)

[facilitatorn]

Then refs called a foul on Randle's pass out, negating a corner 3 which woulda put the Knix up 1 with 24 secs left.  Instead Randle goes 1-2 FT and Knix down 1 and Minny has the ball.

Here is where the NBA is inconsistent.   They don't always blow a whistle on a 24 second violation if the team that was defending the possession winds up with the ball and momentum.  When you have possession of the ball you de-facto decline the penalty.    SO why do they allow baskets to be negated on passing fouls when the foul hurts the team with the ball?   I'd like to see this corrected as this makes the end of games far less satisfying regardless of outcome.  Don't let the referees determine the winner by rewarding a team for committing a penalty.

http://empiresportsmedia.com/new-york-knicks/last-2-minutes-report-refs-miss-3-crucial-calls-in-knicks-loss-to-wolves/

If we played some part of the first half like we played the third quarter, those calls would not have mattered.

[kidcarter8]

2015 draft was weak, with arguably 7 of the Top 10 busts (KAT, Tangelo & KZ the exceptions)


eh

I think it was fine.  So many contributors

TOWNS   7   445   15275   10259   5078   1351   .527   .396   .833   34.3   23.1   11.4   3.0   60.9   .191   4.8   26.3
2   2   LAL   D'Angelo Russell   Ohio State   7   393   11503   6959   1411   2149   .420   .359   .775   29.3   17.7   3.6   5.5   12.5   .052   0.6   7.6
3   3   PHI   Jahlil Okafor   Duke   6   247   4827   2566   1169   225   .542   .222   .676   19.5   10.4   4.7   0.9   7.2   .071   -2.0   0.0
4   4   NYK   Kristaps Porziņģis      6   314   9751   5908   2460   480   .442   .354   .816   31.1   18.8   7.8   1.5   25.0   .123   1.6   8.8
5   5   ORL   Mario Hezonja      5   330   6107   2284   1026   415   .417   .319   .812   18.5   6.9   3.1   1.3   3.2   .025   -2.8   -1.2
6   6   SAC   Willie Cauley-Stein   Kentucky   7   420   9270   3675   2468   597   .544   .188   .612   22.1   8.8   5.9   1.4   23.3   .121   -0.1   4.4
7   7   DEN   Emmanuel Mudiay      6   302   7187   3299   884   1143   .401   .323   .744   23.8   10.9   2.9   3.8   -0.2   -.001   -3.2   -2.2
8   8   DET   Stanley Johnson   Arizona   7   381   7524   2376   1180   545   .378   .298   .762   19.7   6.2   3.1   1.4   4.9   .031   -2.8   -1.5
9   9   CHO   Frank Kaminsky   Wisconsin   7   377   7925   3541   1527   619   .429   .348   .743   21.0   9.4   4.1   1.6   15.3   .093   -0.3   3.4
10   10   MIA   Justise Winslow   Duke   7   298   7707   2473   1507   741   .413   .320   .634   25.9   8.3   5.1   2.5   7.3   .045   -2.1   -0.2
11   11   IND   Myles Turner   Texas   7   431   12379   5485   2879   513   .489   .349   .768   28.7   12.7   6.7   1.2   33.4   .130   0.7   8.3
12   12   UTA   Trey Lyles   Kentucky   7   414   7449   3104   1765   437   .436   .335   .720   18.0   7.5   4.3   1.1   12.6   .081   -1.1   1.6
13   13   PHO   Devin Booker   Kentucky   7   445   14910   10279   1714   2058   .454   .357   .870   33.5   23.1   3.9   4.6   25.9   .083   0.2   8.3
14   14   OKC   Cameron Payne   Murray State   7   259   4505   1905   556   764   .422   .365   .835   17.4   7.4   2.1   2.9   7.1   .076   -0.7   1.6
15   15   ATL   Kelly Oubre Jr.   Kansas   7   443   11190   5296   1929   449   .436   .334   .757   25.3   12.0   4.4   1.0   16.3   .070   -1.8   0.6
16   16   BOS   Terry Rozier   Louisville   7   439   11118   5274   1694   1310   .412   .376   .814   25.3   12.0   3.9   3.0   20.5   .089   0.4   6.9
17   17   MIL   Rashad Vaughn   UNLV   3   139   1671   423   158   75   .337   .313   .692   12.0   3.0   1.1   0.5   -0.6   -.017   -4.7   -1.2
18   18   HOU   Sam Dekker   Wisconsin   5   201   3097   1094   607   160   .478   .288   .606   15.4   5.4   3.0   0.8   5.4   .083   -1.4   0.5
19   19   WAS   Jerian Grant   Notre Dame   5   279   4998   1692   530   805   .411   .323   .770   17.9   6.1   1.9   2.9   8.3   .080   -1.6   0.5
20   20   TOR   Delon Wright   Utah   7   372   7791   2772   1206   1151   .452   .356   .793   20.9   7.5   3.2   3.1   20.5   .127   2.0   7.9
21   21   DAL   Justin Anderson   Virginia   6   232   3041   1203   585   160   .412   .293   .776   13.1   5.2   2.5   0.7   4.7   .074   -1.4   0.4
22   22   CHI   Bobby Portis   Arkansas   7   418   8865   4536   2682   497   .470   .387   .756   21.2   10.9   6.4   1.2   19.0   .103   -0.7   3.0
23   23   POR   Rondae Hollis-Jefferson   Arizona   6   305   6759   2760   1684   579   .449   .212   .735   22.2   9.0   5.5   1.9   12.9   .091   -0.7   2.3
24   24   CLE   Tyus Jones   Duke   7   427   7777   2544   745   1556   .436   .347   .828   18.2   6.0   1.7   3.6   17.3   .107   0.3   4.5
25   25   MEM   Jarell Martin   LSU   4   184   2927   998   639   114   .434   .346   .766   15.9   5.4   3.5   0.6   3.2   .053   -4.3   -1.7
26   26   SAS   Nikola Milutinov                                                      
27   27   LAL   Larry Nance Jr.   Wyoming   7   387   9345   3144   2538   739   .528   .330   .684   24.1   8.1   6.6   1.9   24.2   .125   1.1   7.3
28   28   BOS   R.J. Hunter   Georgia State University   4   45   395   133   46   19   .371   .295   .818   8.8   3.0   1.0   0.4   0.4   .051   -2.0   0.0
29   29   BRK   Chris McCullough   Syracuse   3   59   532   194   112   15   .426   .306   .548   9.0   3.3   1.9   0.3   0.6   .054   -2.5   -0.1
30   30   GSW   Kevon Looney   UCLA   7   329   5167   1490   1461   405   .559   .172   .610   15.7   4.5   4.4   1.2   17.2   .160   -0.5   2.0
Round 2      Totals   Shooting   Per Game   Advanced
Rk   Pk   Tm   Player   College   Yrs   G   MP   PTS   TRB   AST   FG%   3P%   FT%   MP   PTS   TRB   AST   WS   WS/48   BPM   VORP
31   31   MIN   Cedi Osman      5   294   7291   2923   994   620   .422   .351   .726   24.8   9.9   3.4   2.1   6.4   .042   -2.5   -0.9
32   32   HOU   Montrezl Harrell   Louisville   7   424   9152   5508   2267   576   .619   .110   .660   21.6   13.0   5.3   1.4   38.2   .201   2.9   11.4
33   33   BOS   Jordan Mickey   LSU   3   64   482   152   128   17   .449   .118   .605   7.5   2.4   2.0   0.3   0.5   .050   -4.8   -0.3
34   34   LAL   Anthony Brown   Stanford   3   41   762   161   103   28   .328   .286   .850   18.6   3.9   2.5   0.7   -0.2   -.016   -5.1   -0.6
35   35   PHI   Willy Hernang
2.3
36   36   MIN   Rakeem Christmas   Syracuse   2   30   225   63   57   4   .467      .724   7.5   2.1   1.9   0.1   0.5   .105   -4.7   -0.2
37   37   PHI   Richaun Holmes   Bowling Green   7   359   7570   3481   2085   390   .606   .257   .747   21.1   9.7   5.8   1.1   26.2   .166   0.7   5.0
38   38   DET   Darrun Hilliard   Villanova   3   91   859   295   85   71   .377   .304   .747   9.4   3.2   0.9   0.8   0.3   .016   -4.7   -0.6
39   39   CHO   Juan Pablo Vaulet                                                      
40   40   MIA   Josh Richardson   Tennessee   7   406   12284   4937   1283   1108   .428   .361   .833   30.3   12.2   3.2   2.7   22.3   .087   -0.5   4.7
41   41   BRK   Pat Connaughton   Notre Dame   7   395   7214   2278   1317   499   .447   .363   .789   18.3   5.8   3.3   1.3   17.2   .114   0.0   3.6
42   42   UTA   Olivier Hanlan   Boston College                                                   
43   43   IND   Joe Young   Oregon   3   127   1077   429   130   119   .393   .296   .768   8.5   3.4   1.0   0.9   0.4   .016   -4.1   -0.6
44   44   PHO   Andrew Harrison   Kentucky   3   145   2987   1012   287   399   .373   .294   .779   20.6   7.0   2.0   2.8   3.2   .051   -2.8   -0.6
45   45   BOS   Marcus Thornton   William & Mary                                                   
46   46   MIL   Norman Powell   UCLA   7   410   9085   4557   1041   602   .462   .380   .834   22.2   11.1   2.5   1.5   18.9   .100   -0.2   4.1
47   47   PHI   Artūras Gudaitis                                                      
48   48   OKC   Dakari Johnson   Kentucky   1   31   161   55   34   8   .564      .550   5.2   1.8   1.1   0.3   0.6   .178   -0.3   0.1
49   49   WAS   Aaron White   Iowa                                                   
50   50   ATL   Marcus Eriksson                                                      
51   51   ORL   Tyler Harvey   Eastern Washington                                                   
52   52   DAL   Satnam Singh                                                      
53   53   CLE   Sir'Dominic Pointer   St. John's                                                   
54   54   UTA   Dani D
            
54   54   UTA   Dani D

[bodiddley]

So many busts.  5-10 all busts.
Either out of the league or marginal 3rd stringers.
Very weak draft.

Pa Bev has really helped turn around the Minny D, along with a bunch of scrappy energy guys.  v. ATL, Bev goes down with an ankle after 6 mins + Edwards gets ejected mid-3Q for arguing = Wolves give up 73 2nd half points.  Hard to see how they get anywhere much with KAT and Tangelo as indifferent defenders.  But the Pa Bev addition has upped the effort level and got them to .500. 

They could use a vet offender, a shooter with some ballhandling/passing chops.  A Bogdanx2/TyH type.  Though I was thinking a vet elder.  Lou Will too old and never a leader.  Will have to think about it.  Zach LaVine would be perfect ... But good to see Minny at least functional.  I'd given up on them and stopped watching their games for a while now.

Best Minny move: feature Tangelo the next few weeks and then offload him. 
Tangelo for Brunson.  Hield?  Gar Harris?  Dinwiddie.  THT ... Covington. 

[bodiddley]

SacKings lose to DET at home without TyH.
As their season plummets, they need to look for deals for Fox & Hield.
Both/either could bring in a significant return.

Build around TyH - Barnes,  With Richuan, Davion Mitch, Bagley as bench/rotation players.
Davion is a puzzle.  Just 6'0" but a fierce defender and uber-confident on O.  Can he develop as a decent shooter?  Or table setter?  Or some type of useful, consistent Offensive presence?

[kidcarter8]

I suppose if non starter = "bust" you are correct.  I dont look at it that way.  Certainly not busts in a Kevin Knox way (check PERs)

 This is what - the seventh year for these 2015 draftees ?  Being contributors matters.         

Interesting on Stanley Johnson - at 51% FG - I hope he keeps it up.  I'd love to know if there is a reason (new shooting coach, etc) or it may just be an 11 game anomaly.  Stan never achieved even a 39% in any of his other years.  Could just be  maturity, shot selection....or maybe he has found a mentor (LeBron, Vogel, ?)

I take Winslow, I take Kaminsky on Knicks.  (And we already had Mario - heh).

Hezonja plays in Russia now - is actually teammates with O J Mayo - imagine that