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Who will win Game 5 of the NBA Finals?

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Voting closed: June 13, 2022, 11:38:11 PM


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Re: Knicks
« Reply #19635 on: July 28, 2021, 09:55:32 PM »

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« Reply #19636 on: July 29, 2021, 04:06:12 AM »

Sure Ball has some flaws, as does Sexton and pre-injured Dinwiddie.  Otherwise such young talent wouldn't be available.  I could see Rose being a good mentor for BallZo, helping him learn how to drive and finish more effectively and get midrange shots off.  Ball has already improved significantly as a deep threat.  If he can improve on drives and drive-and-kicks, then he'd be a pretty complete player.  Ball could also work on floaters with Quickly.  I'd bank on Ball being a worker bee and improving.


As for Knick FA's.  Reg Bull seems essential.  Was our best non-C defender.  Initially Knix had given him a 2/$21M deal which was reworked because he had a pre-existing neck injury at the time.  Offer him the MLE of circa $9M a year for 2 or 3.  If need be go over the MLE to outbid teams without space --  the same 2/$21 deal is fair, though probably not needed.  $7M-$8M might be enough.  3/$25M or somesuch.

Rose is valuable especially as a bench scorer.  And a Thibs security blanket.  Knows the system, rarely gets accused of rape anymore.

Taj really busted his ass.  Worked the boards furiously.  Probably would come back cheaply.  A leader and Thibs messenger. Taj seems to embody what the Knix are about.  Vet leadership shouldn't be underrated.  And allows us to sort out the Mitch/Noel situation at any time.

Burks?  I'd let someone else pay for contract-year Burks.  Was a dynamic scorer second half of the season.  Peak Burks?  Was also Knix worst rotation defender.  Any time opponents got a wide open shot, I'd replay and it was nearly always Burks or Randle blowing an assignment.  Also, he's been injury prone and is mostly a one-on-one scorer. 
Maybe arrange some kind of double-sign'n'trade Burks for Ball, assuming such a thing is NBA kosher.  NOPe could use the outside shooting, get something for Ball leaving, and that way we'd get Ball without worrying about PELS matching. 

IQ takes up the Burks scoring void.  Draft a shooter.  If we could get BallZo, then moving up for a Duarte/Murphy/Kispert SF would be perfect.

Otherwise re-sign Knox on a make-good contract.  Low base salary, with  incentives -- minutes, 3-pointers made, and/or FG% etc. -- and a team option or low partial guarantee on the final year.  Send Knox to Westchester if such is allowed.  Tell him to expand his game ... and dominate.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #19637 on: July 29, 2021, 08:53:54 AM »

Knox has a contract.  Frank does not.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #19638 on: July 29, 2021, 09:09:06 AM »

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Re: Knicks
« Reply #19639 on: July 29, 2021, 10:10:37 AM »

Burks/Ball idea is solid IF they match our offer first

Often you see a match, then a swap is worked out when a player is added.

First task is Knicks to figure if there is an amount that

A - they are comfortable paying
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B - they think Pels will not match

Then we could add Ball while keeping AB.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #19640 on: July 29, 2021, 11:57:39 AM »

Are you re-upping Rose too?
Ball - Rose
RJB - IQ
and if we're drafting 19 & 21, likely we take at least one G (Butler/Springer, Mann/McBride, etc.)

Seems Rose/IQ/Burks squeezes someone's minutes, if we bring in Ball.
Then adding a rookie G on top of that.

I'd re-sign just one of Rose/Burks.  And add a cheap rookie G.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #19641 on: July 29, 2021, 01:31:49 PM »

Burks & Rose helped us win a whole lot of basketball games last year.
A cheap rookie pg won't help us win very many basketball games next year.
Is there a reason you don't like us to win basketball games?
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #19642 on: July 29, 2021, 01:45:30 PM »

We need Burks, Rose, and Taj back if we’re going to maintain much less build on last year’s success.  Bullock and Noel, while great teammates and solid pros, are both more limited and more replaceable than the other three. They’ll also cost more due to the recency of their starting roles.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #19643 on: July 29, 2021, 02:10:20 PM »

Burks & Rose helped us win a whole lot of basketball games last year.
A cheap rookie pg won't help us win very many basketball games next year.
Is there a reason you don't like us to win basketball games?

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Re: Knicks
« Reply #19644 on: July 29, 2021, 02:22:18 PM »

I'm just axing!!
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #19645 on: July 29, 2021, 02:45:45 PM »

Are you re-upping Rose too?


I would think committing to Ball would have Rose going elsewhere but smarter minds than me are deciding.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #19646 on: July 29, 2021, 03:41:01 PM »

Rose reported to have suitors.
Add Ball and let Rose walk, then IQ and presumably a rook are your backup PG's.  Is that sufficient?

But I do agree, add Ball and then choose to re-sign one of Rose/Burks.
I go with Thibs fave Rose, who can also man the point.

Bullock and Noel, while great teammates and solid pros, are both more limited and more replaceable than the other three. They’ll also cost more due to the recency of their starting roles.

They were our two best defenders, and defense was our identity.

Both were starting.  Okay, so Mitch starts at C.  But then RJB becomes a full-time SF and Burks starts(?)  Unless some sort of trade goes down or we move up in the draft.

Both Nawlins and Bullox should only cost the MLE +/- $2M.  $8-$12M range.
Imo, Reg was a key to Knix winning.  Noel money balanced by the min Mitch makes -- that is, not much committed to a pair of quality C's.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #19647 on: July 29, 2021, 03:56:03 PM »


Imo, Reg was a key to Knix winning. 

Interesting as not what eye tests or metrics show, defensive rating/net rating, he is so far down the list.

Decent D, but let's not overstate it, good three when he's on, good guy, pretty easy to replace, now burks/rose..you have to work a little harder to replace for sure.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #19648 on: July 29, 2021, 04:16:15 PM »

Not sure if McBride is NBA quick, if so he’d be a nice pickup.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #19649 on: July 29, 2021, 04:43:48 PM »

MSG has something they call BEST OF RJ.

Fucking.....why?
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