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Who will win Game 5 of the NBA Finals?

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Voting closed: June 13, 2022, 11:38:11 PM


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Re: Predictions
« Reply #7755 on: October 12, 2019, 08:31:24 PM »

No, Robinson does NOT need to start. 

Might be better on a second unit with Gibson and Knox up front. 

Knicks not picking up Ntilikina? 

Mmmmmm....you a betting man?

6 mil wont be important come next summer?
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #7756 on: October 12, 2019, 08:32:28 PM »

Only one game, but worth noting that Peyton was a -24 in 26 minutes, Frank a +0 in 19.


Numbers I dont lean on
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #7758 on: October 13, 2019, 02:00:03 AM »

Kid can Dunning-Kruger the shit out of some basketball. Glad he has no say in anything of any importance to anyone. If someone ever did put trust in him, it would be a terrible mistake.
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Frank & Dennis
« Reply #7759 on: October 13, 2019, 05:23:42 PM »

No, the six million will not be important next summer. 

First of all, opt-outs on all the deals, save Julius and Marcus (straight one year deal). 

Second, not a really delectable assortment of free agents coming due.  Delectable?  Okay, probable.  Okay, RESTRICTED.  Most of the unrestricted are a little long in the tooth to fit our team moving forward.   

Anthony Davis is expected to opt out next summer.  We shall see.  How the Lakers do this season will play a big part in any possible decisions.  And how Davis and his agent view the prospects of assembling a team around AD without draft picks or any young talent other than Kuzma. 

Who else is unrestricted?  PG Fred Van Vleet of the Raptors. 

Otherwise, a lot of RFA, such as Pascal Siakam of the Raptors. 

Frank is due to make 4.8 million for 2019-2020.  Team Option for 6.1 million in 2020-2021.  Qualifying Offer of 8.3 million in 2021-2022. 

Dennis Smith is also on the clock.  Making 4.4 this season, with a team option for 2020-2021 of 5.6 and a qualifying offer of 7.7 in 2021-2022. 

Elfrid is at 8 million for this year, with a team option for 2020-21. 

That's potentially 19 million on the books for all three in 2020-21. 

A re-signed Frank (let alone Dennis) has much more appeal as a trading chip if locked up for 2020-21. 

Not picking up Frank and Dennis' options would make them UNRESTRICTED for next summer, and hence, less valuable as assets, more like rent-a-player/expiring contracts. 

So the issue is not six million for next summer, which is a specious projection; rather, which move going forward gives the Knicks a better set of options?

Says here, we pick up both Frank and Dennis, and re-examine our options on December 15 when presumably, everyone can be traded. 

PS: Kadeem Allen being our safety two-way option, and presumably Hinton and Peters in developmental mode.  I would look to PF Wooten as another safety two-way option this season with Westchester, as both Portis and Gibson are subject to review next summer, and it remains to be seen whether or not Morris is a one year rental. 

PPS: Thanks to Phul Jackoff, we do not have our own second round picks in 2020 or 2021. 

PPPS: We have Charlotte's 2020 and 2021 second rounders from the Hernan-Gomez trade.  We have Dallas' unprotected 2021 first rounder and Top Ten protected #1 in 2023. 
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Dotson & Trier
« Reply #7760 on: October 13, 2019, 07:10:24 PM »

Do not believe we have any contractual hold on either of them beyond the summer of 2020. 

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Wizards
« Reply #7761 on: October 13, 2019, 08:03:02 PM »

Playing the mighty Bucks very tough. 
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Division Rivals
« Reply #7762 on: October 13, 2019, 09:25:40 PM »

Chip - The Wiz haven't been division rivals with the Knicks for about 20 years.  I wasn't around in the 60s and 70s when the Knicks and Wiz were actual rivals playing meaningful basketball.  I think in 2019 they'd make a trade with the Knicks no problem.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #7763 on: October 13, 2019, 09:28:37 PM »

Fiz's downfall will be that he wants to play everybody.  He feels he can help all their careers - and that this is his job

Wrong!!!

Well that sounds like it could be what happens.  BUT maybe he wants to be known as a developmental coach.
He will get a job elsewhere with a young teamif he can just improve this team to playoff level.

 Since coaches know they are hired to be fired maybe it makes sense  - from a "keep cashin em' checks" perspective (i mean look at his wife, she aint messin with no broke blokes ) - to specialize as a certain type of coach. 

There will always be a need for coaches who improve young players.  Not everyone can coach a champ. But there's only one coach a year that gets that honor.  So if you wanna play the long game in the NBA your best bet is to develop a strength that doesn't involve consistently winning 50+ games. 

There's only a handful or two of those type of coaches anyway.

Rivers
Pop
Carlisle
Kerr
Spoelstra


Fizdale is a "brand manager" and he is helping his own brand as he helps the players.
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Re: Wizards
« Reply #7764 on: October 13, 2019, 10:03:06 PM »

Playing the mighty Bucks very tough.

Hachi is back, I trust

Funny how he had a rest day after playing all of 37 minutes over 2 games
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #7765 on: October 13, 2019, 10:20:17 PM »

Bulls are fucking loaded
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #7766 on: October 13, 2019, 10:34:59 PM »

You’d have to be loaded to say that about the fucking Bulls.

Kyle O’Quinn is going to find a nice role in Philly.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #7767 on: October 14, 2019, 11:12:12 AM »

Kyle O’Quinn is going to find a nice role in Philly.


That would be cool


Embiid
Horford
Harris
Scott
Thybulle
O'QUINN
Bolden
Ennis
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Knicks/Bullets [Wizards]
« Reply #7768 on: October 14, 2019, 11:14:15 AM »

Chip - The Wiz haven't been division rivals with the Knicks for about 20 years.  I wasn't around in the 60s and 70s when the Knicks and Wiz were actual rivals playing meaningful basketball.  I think in 2019 they'd make a trade with the Knicks no problem.

Kam, back when the Knicks and the Wizards [the Bullets] were fierce rivals...

Reed-Unseld
DeBusherre-Johnson
Bradley-Marin
Barnett-Loughery
Frazier-Monroe

It was not a bitter rivalry, like with the Celtics, but it was, well, FIERCE.

Back to your original point, rivals through they were, one of the most eventful trades in the history of either franchise, occurred between these two teams when Monroe forced his way out of Baltimore and became a Knick in exchange for Mike Riordan and Dave Stallworth just as the 1971 season was about to break, following a May 1971 trade of Cazzie Russell to  the Warriors for Jerry Lucas. 

Knicks with Monroe and Lucas won the NBA Finals against the Lakers in 1973.

Riordan, with Elvin Hayes and Wes Unseld made it to the NBA Finals in 1975, but where taken out in four by Rick Barry's Warriors. 

Cannot recall any trades between the Knicks and Celtics.

Nor any subsequent trades between NY and Washington. 
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #7769 on: October 14, 2019, 12:29:15 PM »

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