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2 (66.7%)

Total Members Voted: 3

Voting closed: June 13, 2022, 11:38:11 PM

[kiidcarter8]

"Someone is going to go eighth in this draft and be an All-Star," the first front-office executive says, "and someone is going to go ninth and not get their rookie contract extended. It's not as simple as going back to study more film because so many of these guys, Euro and American, didn't play. If ever there was a price to be paid for cramming late, this is the year."




Let's hope we are on the good end of this for a change (not discounting KP).

[kiidcarter8]

OK, lets have some fun with analytics

From that 2018 Knox draft

Give me the top ten in WIN SHARES per 48 minutes, career

Then give me a bottom ten using just first rounders.


I will start you off

BEST is in fact our Mitchell Robinson    .230
WORST is Jacob Evans of the Warriors/moved to Wolves      -.047


Other first rounders were:

Ayton, Bagley, Doncic, Jar Jackson, T Young, Bamba, W Carter, Secton, Knox, Bridges (PHX), Shae Gilg, Bridges (CHA), J Robinson, Porter, T Brown, Z Smith, DiVincenzo, L Walker, Huerter, Okoge, G Allen, Hutchison, A Holiday, Simons, Wagner, Shamet, R Williams, Evans, Musa, Spellman.

Well.... anyway...


Win shares per 48 minutes, 2018 draftees:


1 -  Mitchell Robinson    .230

2 -  Robert Williams     .203

3 -  Luka Doncic    .151

4 -  Michael Porter Jr     .141

5 -  Donte DiVincenzo    .137

6 -  DeAndre Ayton       .125

7 -  Mohamed Bamba    .124

8 -  Shake Milton     .111

9 -  Wendell Carter    .105

10 -  Jaren Jackson Jr      .102

(next 5 were Bagley, Gilgeous=Alexander, Shamet, Young and Brunson.  Thomas Welsh was discounted for having played just 36 minutes)



Bottom 5 (first round only)



30 -  Jacob Evans    -.047

29 -  Kevin Knox     -.017

28 -  Dzanan Musa   -.008

27 -  Jerome Robinson   -.006

26 -  Anfernee Simons   +.011

[Kam]

OK, lets have some fun with analytics

From that 2018 Knox draft

Give me the top ten in WIN SHARES per 48 minutes, career

Then give me a bottom ten using just first rounders.


I will start you off

BEST is in fact our Mitchell Robinson    .230
WORST is Jacob Evans of the Warriors/moved to Wolves      -.047


Other first rounders were:

Ayton, Bagley, Doncic, Jar Jackson, T Young, Bamba, W Carter, Secton, Knox, Bridges (PHX), Shae Gilg, Bridges (CHA), J Robinson, Porter, T Brown, Z Smith, DiVincenzo, L Walker, Huerter, Okoge, G Allen, Hutchison, A Holiday, Simons, Wagner, Shamet, R Williams, Evans, Musa, Spellman.

Well.... anyway...


Win shares per 48 minutes, 2018 draftees:


1 -  Mitchell Robinson    .230

2 -  Robert Williams     .203

3 -  Luka Doncic    .151

4 -  Michael Porter Jr     .141

5 -  Donte DiVincenzo    .137

These guys are all on winning teams.  Except Mrob.  More win shares to go around when your teams actually win.

[kiidcarter8]

15 of the top 50 this year are on losing teams

[Kam]

15 of the top 50 this year are on losing teams

And? By that math 35 of the top 50 aren't

[facilitatorn]

For those keeping score at home, scuttlebutt says the work stoppage means most teams will go through the draft process with coaching staff and management in place if the draft occurs before other activities resume which seems increasingly likely. This includes the Knicks with Perry and Miller.

[facilitatorn]

http://www.sny.tv/knicks/news/how-knicks-nets-salary-cap-situation-could-be-impacted-by-coronavirus/313206160

[kiidcarter8]

Thanks for the link. I highly recommend the Loud Mouths segment.

[bodiddley]

It's hard to believe that a team that traded KZ for crapola and replaced him with Julius Randle will get anything right.

Expect more flailing, more changes of direction, more roster and leadership shuffling.
Wonder what stage the new coach search is at?  Wonder who wants the job?

[kiidcarter8]

Expect more flailing, more changes of direction, more roster and leadership shuffling.
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Welcome to the NBA

[bodiddley]

Expect more flailing, more changes of direction, more roster and leadership shuffling.

Welcome to the NBA

No.  The Knix dysfunction is legendary.  And you shouldn't try to normalize it.

It's like the Clippers when Sterling owned them and Elgin ran things. And even then you had a stable, but bad, front office.  It takes a special ability to continually fuck things up.  On the level of Dolan, or Trump.  Sacto went through a pretty miserable stretch  for a while.  Don't the Knix have the very worst record int eh 21st C?

The NYK roster reshuffles (who's our longest tenured player?  Franc?), the coaching churn, the front office sweeps.  The way we ran Melo, Noah, KZ out of town.  The endless drama ranging from Marbury cousins to Larry Brown conducting interviews on the roadside.  Even feuds with Oak and now Spike Lee.  Hell, the Commish had to perform an intervention and set up Donnie Walsh as the head for a time.  From top to bottom the organization is a mess and unstable and paranoid.  Most players just come through for a paycheck and leave and are relieved to be with a more professional team.  I doubt anyone expects to be with NYK for long (except Mills and he's finally pink-slipped).

It's welcome to the worst of the NBA ...

[kidcarter8]

Might be a cool exercise to go year by year starting with '99-00, discussing moves and non moves

One thing is for certain.  Players sure haven't helped us.  Nor have coaches, in deciding not to come here

[kiidcarter8]

'99-'00

Off a Finals appearance - Knicks had just dealt a future #1 for Mirsad Turckan

Draft Freddie Weis - #15
Draft J R Koch - #46

Waive Dennis Scott

Sign John Wallace
Sign Andrew Lang

Finish 50-32, lose EC Finals

[facilitatorn]

Artest would have gotten us over the hump that year and been part of the backbone till he lost his mind. Would have been something to watch for sure.

[kiidcarter8]

'00-'01


Traded an aging Ewing (rather than just have his $$ off the cap) for Glen Rice, fluff and a slew of picks, then used two of the picks to add Othella Harrington

LJ shows he has little left. He was a warrior playing in pain.

Camby misses 19 games and has a shit playoff.

48-34, out in first round

We also traded PGs with Raptors - then the one we dealt outplays the one we got - and we lose to the lesser team in 5, losing twice at the Garden