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Total Members Voted: 3

Voting closed: June 13, 2022, 11:38:11 PM

[facilitatorn]

That was an odd ass game. As one who wants the bottom half of the play in for us, I’m ok with it on a strategic level, but that hurt to go through. Nice moments though. It’s getting to a pressure laden slice of the schedule. We need to figure out how we’re going to hold up and get consistent shot making if we want to break through.

[facilitatorn]

Either Rose or Burks needs to start over Payton or Bullock. It moves one fully functional NBA perimeter scorer into the starting lineup for a slightly better defender who is missing key things from his bag on the other end.

I don’t have strong feelings about which one it aught to be.

[kidcarter8]

Knicks got John Henson?  When did this happen?

[facilitatorn]

It’s a ten day. About two days after Pelle signed.

[bodiddley]

You'd think it would only take a few seconds to look it up and inform us of the situation and timing.
Instead of presenting it as a mystery.
But that's kiid, consistently allergic to specifics and common courtesy.

[bodiddley]

Henson was always a strong rebounder and good shotblocker.
He had a serious wrist injury a couple years ago which restricted him the last year in MIL and then assorted back and hamstring issues during his CLE stint.
Has played in just 54 games in the last 3 seasons.
Skinny and not really strong enough to play C, except against smallballing teams or for brief stints.  Not much on offense aside from putbacks.  And just a career 57% FT shooter.

[bodiddley]

Berman thinks Knix will low-ball Mitch.
As in keep him on his cheap-o $1.8M contract and try to extend him for between 3/$30M - 3/$36M.  Pre-injury, I assumed Mitch would be looking for $14M - $18M per.

Feel bad for Mitch; in NBA terms he's been under involuntary servitude.
The timing of this injury is awful for him, as he was having a fine season and this reduces his leverage.  While Noel has filled in and basically replicated what Mitch provides, further undermining Mitch's bargaining power.  I understand the salary cap places limitations and such, but this season we are paying Noah more than Mitch has made total in his 3-year NBA career.  Hell, Clyde makes $5M per year in Dolanbucks, nearly as much as Mitch's $5.4M over three years.

Mitch has apparently changed agents a few times.  Unsurprisingly unhappy with his original 2nd round contract, which was long and low, keeping him perennially underpaid.  Guaranteed money is great when you are just trying to make the NBA, but he's been seriously underpaid the past two years, and we can pick up the team option and have him earn a minimum type salary once again. 

[bodiddley]

I found this interesting.  One key player who might leave via FA/trade per team.
Every NBA Team's Biggest Flight Risk This Offseason

They think Bullox will attract suitors.  Maybe but I was thinking Burks as teams often focus more on offense.  And I think Thibs values Bullocks.
Assuming one of Burks/Bullox leaves, would Knix have interest in Josh Rich or Sterling Brown?
  Should Knix throw a lot of FA money at Lonzo Ball?  Duncan Robinson?  Norm Powell?
Or acquire a 3&D wing in a lower price bracket: Torey Craig, Malik Beasley, Otto Porter?

Richardson's skill set is more variable. He isn't the pure shooter Hardaway has developed into, but his effectiveness also isn't as predicated on finding the basket. He can feasibly guard 1 through 4 and is rather easily the Mavericks' best point-of-attack defender.

Peak Richardson has yet to make an appearance for the Mavs on offense, but he is trending in the right direction. He's converting over 40 percent of his threes and averaging 3.3 assists per game since the All-Star break. Coaxing more shot volume out of him can be like pulling teeth, but he's more equipped for facilitating out of the pick-and-roll than Hardaway and always hints at just enough off-the-bounce miscellany to float the prospect of a higher ceiling.

That's the issue with Josh, he defends and has an intriguing offensive game, but he keeps it leased up too often.  When DAL made the big 2nd half push to beat NYK last week, suddenly Josh Rich drove and swooped in a long-armed scoop shot like he was Dr. J.  Sometimes just looks smooth and capable, but just in flashes offensively.  And while I like his D, I don't think it's as good as advertised.
Still a nice player with two-way talent.  Could replace RegBull or start with Bullox off the bench.

I haven't seen Sterling Silver in quite a while.  So not sure how well he fits or how much he's worth.  But an interesting player.

Further details on Bogdanovic almost to MIL:
The Bucks forfeited  their 2022 second-rounder as punishment for what the league deemed impermissible contact with Bogdanovic before free agency began in November.

Not long after Milwaukee reached an agreement with New Orleans on a trade for Jrue Holiday in November, ESPN reported that the Bucks would also acquire Bogdanovic, who was a restricted free agent, from Sacramento via sign-and-trade, with the Kings poised to land Donte DiVincenzo as part of the exchange.

But free agency was still more than three days away at that point, prompting the N.B.A. to investigate how the Bucks had agreed on terms. Milwaukee was essentially forced to abandon its pursuit of Bogdanovic or risk more severe penalties.

[bodiddley]

Knix up to 7th best 3PT shooting at 38%.
But NYK takes the 2nd fewest 3's per game (only CLE takes less)

[Jerrya]

On balance JR hurting the team.  Too many turnovers, forcing shots, and average defense.  Can't understand why he's pressing...he already made All stare...maybe he's pressing for MVP.  ;-)

[bodiddley]

My read is Julius is mentally and physically worn down. 
And then falls back on old (bad) habits.  Interesting that BOS has Jaylen guarding Randle, and Knix stick with that matchup on the other end.   Very early 1Q, on a switch Robt Williams blocks Randle's iso-J.  Impressive.  3 mins in Julius opts to help, is under the rim, when Jaylen gets the ball for a 3 with no Knick within 20 feet.  Er.  Even worse, Randle stands there instead of boxing out and BOS gets the weakside board.  Plus the early backcourt violation, partly Elf's fault, and Randle has 3+ poor plays in 3 minutes.

Randle entitled to an off-game now and then.  Long season.  Also entitled to fewer minutes.  RJB has really been shooting well last few games. 

Both teams sloppy and chaotic.
Celts killed NYK on the O-boards. 16-5 O-boards.
Always enjoy watching Marcus Smart carom around the court.

Randle did a good job of D on Tatum on two late posessions, but Bullock decided to unnecessarily double team, but from the next man over, so Tatum passed the ball to Smart before Bullox got halfway to Tatum.   A strange costly decision from Bullox.   I presume Knix wanted to double Tatum and get the ball out of his hands late, and Tatum had been turning the ball over under pressure, but that was just the wrong time/approach.

Ugly game.  Knix were there.  Both teams need a genuine PG running their offenses.

[chipstern]

On balance JR hurting the team.  Too many turnovers, forcing shots, and average defense.  Can't understand why he's pressing...he already made All stare...maybe he's pressing for MVP.  ;-)

What?

We're a lottery team without him. 

Pressing?

Gassed. 

[kidcarter8]

Berman thinks Knix will low-ball Mitch.
As in keep him on his cheap-o $1.8M contract and try to extend him for between 3/$30M - 3/$36M.  Pre-injury, I assumed Mitch would be looking for $14M - $18M per.

Feel bad for Mitch; in NBA terms he's been under involuntary servitude.
The timing of this injury is awful for him, as he was having a fine season and this reduces his leverage.  While Noel has filled in and basically replicated what Mitch provides, further undermining Mitch's bargaining power.  I understand the salary cap places limitations and such, but this season we are paying Noah more than Mitch has made total in his 3-year NBA career.  Hell, Clyde makes $5M per year in Dolanbucks, nearly as much as Mitch's $5.4M over three years.

Mitch has apparently changed agents a few times.  Unsurprisingly unhappy with his original 2nd round contract, which was long and low, keeping him perennially underpaid.  Guaranteed money is great when you are just trying to make the NBA, but he's been seriously underpaid the past two years, and we can pick up the team option and have him earn a minimum type salary once again.

Brittle Mitch should take 3/30 and run

[chipstern]

Hurting the team. 

We lost to the Celtics by a single basket, well, okay, a single basket if counting RJ's last second heat check trey.  Close loss to the Nyets as well. 

Clearly our team's margin for error is VERY SMALL. 

So are we assessing JR as a negative based on 9-23, and 2-6 from trey. 

KNICKS FANS are some spoiled MFs. 

Julius finished with 22 points, 9 rebounds, 6 assists, 3 steals and 1 block.  Yes, he had 3 turnovers.  So did Payton and RJ.  Jayson Tatum had EIGHT TURNOVERS, for fuck's sake--is Tatum [25-10-5-1...gee whiz, that looks a lot like JR's stat line] hurting his team? Smart and Brown had 2 each.  When you make plays, you draw attention. 

Here's an interesting stat line from the box score. 

The starters' +/- was a cumulative negative. 

The bench [Gibson, Toppin, Burks, Quickley, Rose]?  Their +/- was on the positive side of the ledger, Obi and IQ getting 11 and 13 minutes each. 

PS: Interesting contrasting the statistical SG battle between Jaylen and RJ',  the final +/- with Brown's +7 versus Barrett's -9 based on Brown's 12-26/5-13 versus RJ's 10-14/6-6.  Based on the manner in which Jaylen has elevated his game season by season, RJ is right on schedule. 

PPS: We are now at 25-27 in the competitive EC Playoff scrum behind the Nyets, Sexers and Schmucks

4 Charlotte Hornets [26-24]
5 Atlanta Hawks [27-25]
6 Miami Heat [26-25]
7 Boston Celtics [26-26]
8 New York Knicks [25-27]
9 Indiana Pacers [23-27]
10 Chicago Bulls [21-28]
11 Toronto Raptors [20-31]

Question, anyone, as per BoD's prenatal/post-mortem, time to reflect on free agency and the draft ruminations: In the new extended playoff format, do teams that fall out of the Top 8 still qualify as Lottery Teams for the ping pong ball extravaganza, vis a vis the possibility of having our cake and eating it too? 

[Kam]

Yes.  Fall out of 8th and you're a lottery team.