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Re: Knicks
« Reply #18585 on: May 03, 2021, 11:36:00 AM »

Kam

Even if we think RJ may continue toward acceptable Big 3 status, where are we getting the third guy if not by using young assets?

And what other top twenty guy comes available

It's just about a MUST STRIKE situation

That’s the recipe all crap franchises follow. Good we won’t be doing that.
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #18586 on: May 03, 2021, 11:48:10 AM »

I neither have the skills nor the interest to play GM. But one thing is clear. Our team has been so consistently bad, that fantasy trades were our only solace — anything to get out of the quagmire.

But the weird surreality we see now is that....we actually have a really good team!

(I can hardly type those words)

And as Kam writes, we also have lots of appreciating assets.

So yeah, I'm the yokel who doesn't give a fuck about trades. I'm intrigued to see how far this experiment can go. Right now, we see players improving before our very eyes. I love this shit! Just want to see it continue!
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« Reply #18587 on: May 03, 2021, 12:37:12 PM »

So don't fix it. 
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« Reply #18588 on: May 03, 2021, 12:37:33 PM »

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« Reply #18589 on: May 03, 2021, 12:45:30 PM »

Haliburton injured his knee.

Hope the young man dodged a bullet and it's just a sprain. 
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« Reply #18590 on: May 03, 2021, 12:46:00 PM »

I neither have the skills nor the interest to play GM. But one thing is clear. Our team has been so consistently bad, that fantasy trades were our only solace — anything to get out of the quagmire.

But the weird surreality we see now is that....we actually have a really good team!

(I can hardly type those words)

And as Kam writes, we also have lots of appreciating assets.

So yeah, I'm the yokel who doesn't give a fuck about trades. I'm intrigued to see how far this experiment can go. Right now, we see players improving before our very eyes. I love this shit! Just want to see it continue!

Thank you....
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« Reply #18591 on: May 03, 2021, 12:48:54 PM »

I neither have the skills nor the interest to play GM. But one thing is clear. Our team has been so consistently bad, that fantasy trades were our only solace — anything to get out of the quagmire.

But the weird surreality we see now is that....we actually have a really good team!

(I can hardly type those words)

And as Kam writes, we also have lots of appreciating assets.

So yeah, I'm the yokel who doesn't give a fuck about trades. I'm intrigued to see how far this experiment can go. Right now, we see players improving before our very eyes. I love this shit! Just want to see it continue!

Playoff rounds will be fun

But they always have been, back to the early 80s when Michael Ray inbounded the ball directly to Doctor J ......

Fun.

But almost 50 years of nothing.
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« Reply #18592 on: May 03, 2021, 12:50:32 PM »

Unlike this COVID year, where Knicks were one of the few teams to not lose major manpower games, next year teams will be more FULLY staffed for most games - and we wont be sneaking up on anyone

No way we go with the same personnel.
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« Reply #18593 on: May 03, 2021, 12:54:35 PM »

Kam

Even if we think RJ may continue toward acceptable Big 3 status, where are we getting the third guy if not by using young assets?

And what other top twenty guy comes available

It's just about a MUST STRIKE situation

To channel my inner Chipstern. - don't chase the first shiny object.

There will be other "must strike" situations.

They aren't that rare and our window JUST OPENED.  So no rush.

Harden demanded a trade earlier this year.

Guys become available every year.
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« Reply #18594 on: May 03, 2021, 01:21:26 PM »

Kam

Even if we think RJ may continue toward acceptable Big 3 status, where are we getting the third guy if not by using young assets?

And what other top twenty guy comes available

It's just about a MUST STRIKE situation

That’s the recipe all crap franchises follow. Good we won’t be doing that.

Such as giving Kevin Love a long term deal. 

The idea that one MUST STRIKE is SO LAME, and that the road to success is predicated on ponying up all of your assets for that Redd Foxx, this is the big one Elizabeth SHINY OBJECT....ugh. 

That Kiid would happily pony up our burgeoning TWENTY YEAR OLD SUPERSTAR for a soon to be 31 year old making 40-50 million a year for the next 4-5 years is all you need to know about the assclown who repreatedly mocked Ainge for passing on Fultz to take Tatum, until the evidence became so irrefutable that he was compelled to rewrite history and go into MY MAN, I Told You So MODE. 

Kiid is a moron, so I would expect no less, but BoD's willingness to pony up Mitchell AND Immanuel, but hey, we could always claim the earthly remains of Kevin Love [yup, a perfect addition to THIBS' Kulture, off of the buyout market] bespeaks something more dire, THE GHOST OF KNICKS PLANS PAST. 

Memories grow dim in a hurry.  DO THEY NOT. 

We have nurtured Mitchell from a pup, and his progression has been steady with some dramatic improvement under Payne and Thibs.  How many players do the Knicks need to cash in, only to see them blossom and bloom and go on to have long productive careers for other teams. 

Kiid and BoD are very much of the ALL IN School of gamesmanship. 

Again, while BoD made compelling arguments on behalf of Wood and Haliburton, and yes, BB is a talented player, this was THE FIRST YEAR IN MODERN MEMORY where the Knicks did not go ALL IN on the quick fix, though admittedly they were ready willing an able to go all in for Chris Paul.  Point taken.  Gordon Hayward? Be careful what you wish for.   

Again, the idea that anyone, let alone a grifter as palpably stoopid as Kiid would with a straight face suggest we offload 20 year old home grown RJ Barrett let alone all of our draft assets and thus NEGATE THE RATIONALE FOR COPPING A TALENT SUCH AS DAME, is a reminder that stoooopidddity can detonate all manner of progress in an instant. 

Oh, and fuck those useless late first rounders. 

Right, such as the #25 with which we copped Quickley, who in an up and down season has generally trended UPWARDS.  The consistency of his stoke has returned, he is hoisting from the 4-point stripe with Coach's blessing, and, lo and behold, his assists are on the rise, as he looks to create, and not merely for his self. Mitchell, who we copped with the #36 pick and whom some seem to forget was on a tear when he returned from his busted hand. 

Damn Dame.  Well, God bless, BUT NO HERSHEL WALKER DEALS.  NO MELO DEALS. 

Noels. Bullock. Burks. 

Dennis Smith and a #46 pick for DERRICK ROSE?  Now THAT's a DEAL. 

Anyway, we agree to disagree. 

PS: The greatest deal in Knicks history?  We did indeed pony up serious assets, but it was addition by subtraction, not giving away the fucking store.   Howie Komives was our starting PG, but offlading him opened up space for Walt Frazier [our RJ in waiting].  Walt Bellamy?  A HALL OF FAME CENTER.  A double double, night in and night out.  Trading him opened up the center slot for Willis Reed, and Dave DeB, well, that worked out okay. 

PPS: Melo?  We got that ONE season under Woodson and Jason Kidd.  Otherwise, no remaining assets to develop, no talent to build nor nurture around our one certifiable stud.  What Rose & Thibs are building is very possibly SUSTAINABLE & ENDURING.  Not STARZ but rather KULTURE. 

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« Reply #18595 on: May 03, 2021, 02:07:48 PM »

Right, we are creating a culture around this team.  Trading half the team and all our youth for a superstar would completely shake the chemistry experiment up.  The culture would be different overnight.  I get making these desperate moves when your team isn't that good.  You need to sell tickets.  But fan interest is at a 20 year high right now.  We don't need to make desperate moves.  Let's let this chemistry experiment continue.  Only good things are happening right now.  Keep it rolling.  Let's let our youth develop next season and see where we stand then.  We have a young team.... there is no rush to blow it up. 

This is also different than when we traded for Melo.  We had Amare on his last legs and we needed to strike a deal out of desperation to get the 2nd star while Amare was still ambulatory and the team was attractive enough for a star like Melo to want to come here.  We have a completely different timeline now.  Randle is only 26 freakin years old.  We need no 31 year old superstars.   I AM WILLING to make deals in the next 12-24 months but only for a player in his 20s.   Recent history has shown us that modern Superstars are fickle and willing to change the scenery.  Let's wait for the right situation because we have the luxury of being able to wait.  Let's use that luxury and in the meantime enjoy this moment of unplanned success.  This is a sweet time to be a fan.  We are not in the quick fix mode anymore.  Some of us may not realize that yet after the last 20 years.
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« Reply #18596 on: May 03, 2021, 04:47:42 PM »

You Make The Call

2020-21: Burks [6.0]; Noels [5.0]; Payton [4.7]; Bullock [4.2]; Gibson [3.3] = 23.2 Million [36-28]

2020-21: Gallinari [19.5]; Bogdonavic [18.0] = 37.5 million [35-30]
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« Reply #18597 on: May 03, 2021, 05:33:55 PM »

Hawks would likely be ahead of us if not for all the injuries and games missed.
They also added Rondo, since moved, and Dunn.

Gallo was a poor signing.  Oft-injured, not that impactful.  Basically a one-position player now.  Better to pay young Collins than add an expensive aging Gallo.
Maybe Gallo will prove an asset they can flip to a team that needs outside shooting.
Maybe not.

Shooters got paid/overpaid last Summer -- Gallo & Bertans very overpaid. Kennard too, but less so (and younger).  Beware the frothy market ...


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Right, we are creating a culture around this team.  Trading half the team and all our youth for a superstar would completely shake the chemistry experiment up.  The culture would be different overnight.  I get making these desperate moves when your team isn't that good. 

Knix have won a ton and played the best hoops with Mitch out and ObiT barely contributing.  So you'd be missing Quickly, who is fun to watch, but obviously would be more than replaced by Lillard's greatness.  Adding a Top 10 player at your weakest position in exchange for role players is hardly desperation.  Also, imo having a clutch assassin would improve the culture and generate more W's.
Talent-wise it'd be such a ridiculous steal for NYk, that it will never be available.
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« Reply #18598 on: May 03, 2021, 06:05:00 PM »

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Fournier... said that he felt like he had a concussion in the wake of his positive diagnosis and that it had impacted his vision and depth perception.

"I've been feeling really weird, to be honest," Fournier said. "My plan was to stop talking about it so it might help me, but the thing is it's like I have a concussion. Right now, it's actually doing a little bit better; but at first, the bright lights were bothering my eyes, and my vision was blurry.

"Everything was just going too fast for me. It's still the case. Some stuff is better, but at times, I'm really struggling to focus, and my eyes keep struggling focusing on one thing. My depth perception is really bad right now. But I saw a specialist, and she gave me some exercises, and hopefully, it'll get better."
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« Reply #18599 on: May 03, 2021, 09:03:27 PM »

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