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« Reply #21975 on: December 27, 2021, 11:25:37 AM »

Why not start Grimes?
Kemba - Grimes - RJB - Randle - Mitch

That's 3 defenders around Kemba and Randle.
Grimes making a case for being our best 2-way player.
If Grimey fouls a lot, we have Fournier and Burks.

With all the CV shuffling going on leaguewide, no one would even blink if Thibs started Grimes.
See how we do with better starting unit D and less FourEva spaciness.

Basically Kemba and Fournier have no chemistry and are a poor defensive tandem.  Let's go with the theory that Kemba and Fournier together aren't gonna get you anywhere.

Our best option by far.

Among nearly 400 players who have played at least 100 minutes this season, Grimes' 11.0 threes attempted per 36 minutes ranks eighth.

His place in the rotation would seem to be secure.

Grimes became the first Knicks rookie to hit five 3-pointers in consecutive games.
Most impressive about the feat was that it came over a 13-day span after Grimes entered COVID-19 protocol.
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« Reply #21976 on: December 27, 2021, 11:32:33 AM »

Barrett must be traded while there is still a market

Your ignorance is both expansive and exhaustive.
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« Reply #21978 on: December 27, 2021, 01:34:25 PM »

I'm using Julius Randle's long range and mid-range shooting %s this year vs last year to make a point about Coach Thibs and how maybe he got too much credit last season and we shouldn't absolve him from guilt this year by pointing to how he won coach of the year last season as if that makes him above criticism.

Randle shot 41.1% from 3 last season.  It's down to 33.7% this year.  Or in other words a slight tick under his career average. 
(To be fair to Randle, RJ Barrett dropped from 40.1 to 35.3, again back to career average)

And it isn't just three point shooting.  Let's look in the mid range:

Randle is hitting just 32 percent of his shots from the long midrange this season.
Meaning Randle ranks in the 46th percentile for his position - a steep drop from the 75th percentile he occupied last year.
51 players have taken at least 35 jumpers from between 16 and 24 feet this season. Randle ranks 49th in that group.

It's worse from 8 to 16 feet, where 16 players have attempted at least 100 shots, and Randle is dead last with a 34.3 percent rate of accuracy.

If you're going to attribute a large part of Randle (and other players) shooting success last year at the feet of the coach and toss him laurels you must attribute a large part of Randle (and other players) shooting failure this year at the feet of the coach and toss him hot coals to walk over.

I prefer to say its not Thibs doing either way.   His Coach of the Year award looks more like a "story of the year" award that he received because the knicks stopped looking putrid ( a low bar to clear if ever there was one).

Where I point at Thibs and call him out is that he neglected coaching this team and made a personnel decision after 20 games.  Not only did he not talk to Kemba after the benching (cringe) but he abdicated the responsibility of coaching this new starting lineup into cohesion.   During the early season Kemba and Julius took turns having good games and off nights.  The two of them haven't both played a good game together all season until the christmas game where Atlanta was wounded.  A good coach doesn't say "Hmmm... I have two offensive alpha dogs who can't co-exist let me just get rid of one of them and maybe the other will catch fire".  That's the kind of move a guy on a sports forum might cry out for sure, but you expect the head fucking coach to think things through a little more.  You can't say Alec Burks is the new full-time starting PG.   You can't get rid of Kemba for a non-PG.  That is just compounding the mistake of benching Kemba.   

Thibs - by any measure - is having one of his worst season's as a coach.   Coming off a feel-good year where he was gifted an award because he had a bunch of 40% 3pt shooters and they all out shot the team's expectations.  Big whoop.  Yes, the young players are developing but because of Thibs struggles I have to wonder if the youth development is really his doing, or more on the rest of the coaching staff and or the players themselves.


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« Reply #21979 on: December 27, 2021, 02:06:50 PM »

So much of who shoots and when is dictated by the defense, Kam.

Thibs (and staff, I should say) does his offensive coaching in practice sessions and game-planning.  Mid game pretty much is designing plays out of timeouts, sub patterns, use of time outs and working officials.
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« Reply #21980 on: December 27, 2021, 02:27:05 PM »

Barrett must be traded while there is still a market

What a ridiculous notion!


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« Reply #21981 on: December 27, 2021, 02:32:08 PM »

So much of who shoots and when is dictated by the defense, Kam.

Thibs (and staff, I should say) does his offensive coaching in practice sessions and game-planning.  Mid game pretty much is designing plays out of timeouts, sub patterns, use of time outs and working officials.

Thibs design of plays out of timeouts is almost always a mix of horror show or comic relief, depending on how you look a it.

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« Reply #21982 on: December 27, 2021, 03:11:47 PM »


.....Thibs - by any measure - is having one of his worst season's as a coach.   Coming off a feel-good year where he was gifted an award because he had a bunch of 40% 3pt shooters and they all out shot the team's expectations.  Big whoop.  Yes, the young players are developing but because of Thibs struggles I have to wonder if the youth development is really his doing, or more on the rest of the coaching staff and or the players themselves.

Seems to me that all your observations have been on the mark this fall. But here you distort things. They won lots of their games on the defensive end, and the shift from the previous year was palpable. Can't just omit this achievement in the grand assessment.
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« Reply #21983 on: December 27, 2021, 03:25:14 PM »


.....Thibs - by any measure - is having one of his worst season's as a coach.   Coming off a feel-good year where he was gifted an award because he had a bunch of 40% 3pt shooters and they all out shot the team's expectations.  Big whoop.  Yes, the young players are developing but because of Thibs struggles I have to wonder if the youth development is really his doing, or more on the rest of the coaching staff and or the players themselves.

Seems to me that all your observations have been on the mark this fall. But here you distort things. They won lots of their games on the defensive end, and the shift from the previous year was palpable. Can't just omit this achievement in the grand assessment.

So... Thibs was a great defensive coach last season, but not this one.

Wake up Thibs, it's Miller time!
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« Reply #21984 on: December 27, 2021, 03:38:55 PM »

Well, the year's not done. I can't explain why they're so much weaker on defense and am not ready to string up the coach.

But Thib's approach on offense with the starting unit has irritated me for two months. So little flow and so much confusion.
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« Reply #21985 on: December 27, 2021, 03:47:15 PM »


Wake up Thibs, it's Miller time!

Okay, um, you're not Mike Miller, are you?

Because this is one of the strangest fetishes I've ever witnessed.

I'm not sure that the skeletal remains of Simon Bolivar would be less likely or less desirable than the resurrection of Mike Miller.
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« Reply #21986 on: December 27, 2021, 03:50:24 PM »

Barrett must be traded while there is still a market

Probably a better idea than my move him to the second unit suggestion...
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« Reply #21988 on: December 27, 2021, 04:43:39 PM »


Wake up Thibs, it's Miller time!

Okay, um, you're not Mike Miller, are you?

Because this is one of the strangest fetishes I've ever witnessed.

I'm not sure that the skeletal remains of Simon Bolivar would be less likely or less desirable than the resurrection of Mike Miller.

I'd be ok with Fac too, provided he has NO INPUT on trades or personnel decisions 😁

But Mike Miller was a very good coach for this team, and he proved it in the short time he was given an opportunity.
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« Reply #21989 on: December 27, 2021, 05:31:24 PM »

Barrett must be traded while there is still a market

Probably a better idea than my move him to the second unit suggestion...



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