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Voting closed: June 13, 2022, 11:38:11 PM

[elephant]

Anyway, Dawg and all New York wanted Payton gone. 

Not saying I woulda kept him.  His confidence was shot by the playoffs, having been clearly rejected by the media and fan base. 

Still, Knicks fans, be careful what you wish for motherfuckers.

Is there a Knick fan on Planet Earth who regrets that Payton is gone?

[chipstern]

Anyway, Dawg and all New York wanted Payton gone. 

Not saying I woulda kept him.  His confidence was shot by the playoffs, having been clearly rejected by the media and fan base. 

Still, Knicks fans, be careful what you wish for motherfuckers.

Is there a Knick fan on Planet Earth who regrets that Payton is gone?

[elephant]

Burke and Quikz,  The problem seems to be Thibs, this guy is stubborn as fuk. We are not going to make the playoffs play the rooks, lets see what we got...MCbride is electric as is Obi and Grimes I also want to see what we got in Reddish, he was a beast in Atlanta. This league has turned into a run and gun league thibs still play halfcourt ball.  That may work in spurts but teams are running us out the building. The offense need to change... Free Mike Woodson.

Um, I don't know about the Woodson part, but I agree with a lot of this. The offense is conceptually challenged. We're more predictable than our opponents. And yeah, it feels like this is a Thibs thing.

But probably a bigger problem for him is a defense that, even with a rising Robinson, seems to be getting worse and worse.

[kidcarter8]

Knicks defense was excellent  vs Utah


Quote of the day from Thibs -

"There isnt a big difference between winning and losing in this league."

[kidcarter8]

I have distinct memories of Forum Empathy Champion LesterDawg, pissing on poor woebegone Elfrid Payton every chance he got last year. 

True, every time EP hit a three, an angel got it's wings, and his FT% was under .700, but he competed hard on defense, and he ruddered the offense.  Obviously, D-Rose ruddered it better, but in the absence of Elfrid, we get the Earthly Remains Of Kemba [utterly overmatched on D], a game but overmatched Burks, and a guard in IQ who prospered as a sixth man playing off the ball in the second unit with Rose, but is desperately struggling as a PG, which has totally queered his offensive game. 

Still, McBride is buried on the pine. 

Anyway, Dawg and all New York wanted Payton gone. 

Not saying I woulda kept him.  His confidence was shot by the playoffs, having been clearly rejected by the media and fan base. 

Still, Knicks fans, be careful what you wish for motherfuckers.

Like I said -whats done is done - who do you want?

[bodiddley]

Knicks defense was excellent  vs Utah

Hardly.  Fournier was particularly bad.  There was one play where 4Eva's man, Barton trots from the left box, along the baseline and relocates to the right corner.  For some reason, 4Ev just doesn't bother to go with him, then lingers in the restricted zone a few beats, then as the ball is swung realizes he probably should see where his man went.  Meanwhile a pick has formed in his path and Barton gets a wide open 3. 

Utah got lots of open 3's.  Now they run some tricky actions and even on replay it wasn't easy to see exactly where Knix D went wrong.  Mitch had a killer 1st half.
But the perimeter D was poor.

[facilitatorn]

We may have been better served playing the rooks from the get go rather than the free agent adds. The D and energy would be worlds better and our main offensive cogs were still in place both on the starting unit and off the bench.

[kiidcarter8]

Knicks getting Dragic and picks.  May include Lakers 2027 #1.

Gone will be

Noel
Reddish
Burks

T H Tucker in deal plus maybe Nunn.  NY may also get a Raptors pick.

[kiidcarter8]

We may have been better served playing the rooks from the get go rather than the free agent adds. The D and energy would be worlds better and our main offensive cogs were still in place both on the starting unit and off the bench.

Players often are what they are.  Often just improve or they do not.  Regardless of playing time.  To think Toppin would be this incredible beast by now had he just been playing 30 minutes per night is silly.

[lesterluv]

Elfrid. We talking about Elfrid this morning.

[Jack Straw]

Elfrid. We talking about Elfrid this morning.

could be worse, could be still talking about Lavor Postell

[lesterluv]

lol, lol, lol... folks having difficulties with this season really need to keep things in perspective.


*** or how about those 10-post threads on.....Toure Murry!

Toure Ahmad Khalid-Murry is an American professional basketball player for BC Ternopil of the Ukrainian Basketball SuperLeague.

[bodiddley]

The Los Angeles Lakers, New York Knicks, and Toronto Raptors discussed a three-team trade at length Wednesday night into Thursday morning. The framework would send Cam Reddish and Alec Burks to the Lakers, Goran Dragic and draft pick compensation to the Knicks, and Talen Horton-Tucker and Nerlens Noel to the Raptors, league sources told HoopsHype.

Toronto discussed sending a first-round pick, and the Lakers discussed sending a second-round pick to the Knicks, HoopsHype has learned. As conversations continued, the Knicks sought additional draft compensation.

Knix would drop off $19M in salary next year (Burks $10M & Noel $9M).
Would make re-signing Mitch a priority.  Which probably was true anyway, since MitchRob has been showing flashes of (contract year) beast mode, while Nawlins is always dinged up.

Unclear if Dragic is ready/able/willing to play.  But its the salary dump and draft picks the Knix want.  Lakes don't have an available 1st rounder until 2027, and since LeBon will be gone by then, they are wary of trading that without lotto protecting it.

I'd much rather trade 4Eva to the Lakes and Noel to TOR and keep Reddish.
Lakes have: A Very Bradley, Monk, Reaves at SG
Plus StanJohnson and then Burks.  Hard to see how Reddish would fit in.
Maybe just A Very injury insurance.

[kiidcarter8]

Its a good deal unless you are stuck on Reddish helping next season and in future.  But if Thibs isn't on board with him..

Would like a look at Dragic giving us a 3 lefty lineup.  But no way he stays past this year

[kiidcarter8]

Bo

Reddish is 6-8+.  Not a 2 guard.

Its all about mix in LA.  THT looked good for a while but has waned.

Burks of course needed for ball handling.  Palinka being criticized lately for allowing both Schroder and Caruso to depart.