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Re: Knicks
« Reply #22845 on: February 18, 2022, 01:59:56 PM »

Told ya, Grimes bit on the CamTom minor hesitation and left his feet in a block attempt.  Leaving him out of position to box out.  4Eva was down low and should have blocked out LMA.  Watch it again.  I thought Burks giving Scurry a go ahead 3 was the early killer.


Barrett - Robinson - San Quentin
That's 3 defenders around Randle.
And 2 guys who can hit 3's.

Dredge up a two-way steady PG.
A Lowry, Rubio, Conley type vet would be enough.
I'd take Brogdon, who could be available (expect to give up ObiT or Mitch + one of our vet SG's). 
Pay big for Brunson in FA a possible option(?)
Our two best options.

Otherwise:
Rubio?  Dinwiddie?
Bledsoe should be available, but he's kind of a mess.  Not really an orchestrator or outside shooter and turnover prone.
   
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« Reply #22846 on: February 18, 2022, 02:09:55 PM »

Thibs supposedly wanted Derozan.

I heard Perry was a DeRozan booster. 

Well, that's twice we passed. 

Once for Evan Fournier.

Once for Jordan Hill. 
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« Reply #22847 on: February 18, 2022, 02:23:12 PM »

I sure didn't expect DeRozan's resurrection.
Caruso didn't make much sense with NYK, with Burks here.
He fit really well with LAL.
I wanted ZoBall, but Knix showed no interest.

BallZo - Grimes/Burks - RJB - Randle - Mitch
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« Reply #22848 on: February 18, 2022, 02:34:09 PM »

I sure didn't expect DeRozan's resurrection.
Caruso didn't make much sense with NYK, with Burks here.
He fit really well with LAL.
I wanted ZoBall, but Knix showed no interest.

BallZo - Grimes/Burks - RJB - Randle - Mitch

Caruso is much more adept at the point, and a fierce defender. 

Ressurection? 

WTF you talkin' 'bout, Willis? 

DeRozan's game never slipped an inch. 

He was basically good for 21-5-6 year after year with Pops. 

In fact, he truly morpjed into a legit 3&D point forward, and his facilitating skills and assists totals inched up significantly with the Spurs, as did his rebounding.  And this season, his 3 point shooting is like .343% [34-99], a modest sampling, but his total FG% is the second highest of his career. 

And I mean, three point shooting is fucking fool's gold, if one is to judge by the recent Knicks downturn, and how when the fruit was not falling, we had NOTHING in the fourth quarter.   
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Re: Knicks
« Reply #22849 on: February 18, 2022, 02:58:20 PM »

I sure didn't expect DeRozan's resurrection.
Caruso didn't make much sense with NYK, with Burks here.
He fit really well with LAL.
I wanted ZoBall, but Knix showed no interest.

BallZo - Grimes/Burks - RJB - Randle - Mitch

Caruso over Kemba. We could have given him the keys.
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« Reply #22850 on: February 18, 2022, 03:23:56 PM »

---- Told ya, Grimes bit on the CamTom minor hesitation and left his feet in a block attempt.  Leaving him out of position to box out.           
   

Yeah - must be talking about a different play
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« Reply #22851 on: February 18, 2022, 04:41:59 PM »

Boxing out, transition D, and free throws are on the coaching end of an organization. Some groups get it out of their players regardless of their spot in the churn. Some do not.

I think Thibs got more or less the draft he wanted. Then I think Leon and Wes took it in a whole nother direction in free agency leading to fundamental organizational disagreement. All else follows.

The basis for any kind of success in NY is to have a coach willing to eat enough shit and lose enough sleep to build his house on sand. It is the Dolan Berman Steven A environment. Not a lot of indication any of that will change any time soon.

I give the current coach and management group together a ten percent chance of patching their differences changing their course collectively and coming out better on the other end.
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« Reply #22852 on: February 18, 2022, 06:10:49 PM »

Told ya, Grimes bit on the CamTom minor hesitation and left his feet in a block attempt.  Leaving him out of position to box out.  4Eva was down low and should have blocked out LMA.  Watch it again.  I thought Burks giving Scurry a go ahead 3 was the early killer.


Barrett - Robinson - San Quentin
That's 3 defenders around Randle.
And 2 guys who can hit 3's.

Does San Quentin for Quentin Grimes qualify as a BoZ name?
Better than nothing, I guess.
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« Reply #22853 on: February 18, 2022, 06:43:01 PM »

Frank Isolate interview with N'shan Holland very refreshing

Scalabrine:  "Ain't no one can stay in front of Bones Hyland"

Quite possibly the one that got away.
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« Reply #22854 on: February 18, 2022, 06:52:42 PM »

Knick transition D was awful last year as well, when the overall D was good.


Did anyone really expect DeMar to have a career year at 32?
https://www.espn.in/nba/story/_/id/33308881/chicago-bulls-demar-derozan-stays-hot-eclipses-wilt-chamberlain-record-scoring-streak
3/$82 as he gets on into his mid-30's?
Quite a gamble, and CHI gave up Thad and a future 1st as well.
DeRozan's midrange game, plus Mitch, would clog up driving lanes for Randle and RJB and push them outside for more 3's.  Bulls use Vuj as a stretch 5 to open lanes for DeMar.  DeMar inside the arc and a bunch of shooters outside.


Caruso as starting PG?  Not a viable solution.
Caruso as Burks replacement would be fine.  But contract year Burks was pretty good.  Where's his mojo gone to?  Career low 38% FG. These days much of his offense involves crashing into his defender to get FT's. 
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« Reply #22855 on: February 18, 2022, 06:59:39 PM »

Bones awfully similar to IQ.
So far has shot below 38% FG every month.
Weak defender.
  Lotta confidence (like Quix).
I'll stick with Grimes, thank you.
But I sure hope they refer to his shot as the Hyland fling ...
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« Reply #22856 on: February 18, 2022, 07:43:04 PM »

3/$82 as he gets on into his mid-30's?
Quite a gamble, and CHI gave up Thad and a future 1st as well.

at least with a gamble there's potential reward
Kemba and Nerlens weren't  gambles - just plain bad signings, and we burned a 1st on Cam, so clearly that wasn't an issue...
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« Reply #22857 on: February 19, 2022, 02:20:18 AM »

There was of course potential rewards with Kemba.  We desperately needed a PG and if healthy Kemba can be pretty good.  We saw a 4 game flash of brilliance around XMas.  Unfortunately after almost a month of DNP's, Thibs decided Kemba could handle 40 mins per during those 4 games.  He managed two more games osteoarthritically, had to be shut down for 3 weeks and hasn't been capable again since.  Thibs obviously the wrong coach to monitor and ease up on a gimpy vet's minutes.  Kemba's second year was very questionable.

Noel was heroic last year.  Hasn't been healthy this year.  Signed for the going rate, if healthy.  Mitch insurance, since he tends to be injury and foul prone.

Funny how most of the Knix played better in their contract year and regressed this year ...
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« Reply #22858 on: February 19, 2022, 03:25:29 AM »

3/$82 as he gets on into his mid-30's?
Quite a gamble, and CHI gave up Thad and a future 1st as well.

at least with a gamble there's potential reward
Kemba and Nerlens weren't  gambles - just plain bad signings, and we burned a 1st on Cam, so clearly that wasn't an issue...

Agree those two were not money well spent. Will wait and see on Cam. More reminiscent of Harkless than Paul George, but there is a lot of middle ground there. I just wish we had a trustworthy development structure. As it is it is hard to feel too good about any of our young guys.
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« Reply #22859 on: February 19, 2022, 08:17:08 AM »

LOL at Noel being a bad signing.
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